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hello and welcome to the show that

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almost wasn't

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we had uh we had some weird stuff going

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on here all my settings were all messed

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up but we could not get any audio um so

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you can't hear me

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alejandro huh

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uh nothing changed no

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wow can you hear me yeah yes

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the only thing that happened is we went

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live

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so uh

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alejandra you cannot hear me peter can

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you hear me wave peter if you hear me

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yes i can't hear you oh yeah

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all right wow this is uh starting out

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great

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um okay so anyway uh as you can see

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we've been having some difficulties and

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so um now people are saying the chat

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room they can hear us i think alejandro

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can hear me obviously and i can hear you

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can you hear me i can hear you too

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alejandro all right

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that's the way it's supposed to work i

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think all right you know uh for the sake

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of the podcast listener i'm gonna start

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the show all over again as if we never

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started hello and welcome to the show

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i'm martin willis your host and uh i

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think i hear someone typing i'm not sure

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but anyway

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we've had a couple of technical

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difficulties we've have figured them out

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and uh thanks for your patience for your

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live listeners out there also for your

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live listeners in two weeks we're going

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to be changing to tuesday night at uh

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six to eight p.m eastern standard time

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we're supposed to be

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friendlier to europeans but i don't know

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i appreciate anyone that listens to the

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show if you want to help us out

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for two dollars or more a month all that

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information is on podcastufo.com

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and um so

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now i'm hearing an airplane this is

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really a strange show i've got my good

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buddy peter robbins he's going to be on

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he's always a real pleasure to talk to i

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consider him a friend and he's a great

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guy we're going to have a great show

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tonight after all nothing is going to

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get us down right alejandro

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that's right oh thank god i hope thank

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god you answered

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so

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you can hear me right now i'm doing good

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sir you keep coming in and out kind of

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like you're uh on another planet or

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something but uh you probably are i am

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but anyway um

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yeah just wing it man just go ahead and

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uh tell us what's going on in the ufo

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world

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okay some cool things so a couple of

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things first of all just my own personal

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news uh the other day i got to interview

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peggy whitson now she is an astronaut

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who she is the one we had we're talking

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about who has uh

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logged the most time in space

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when it comes to

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so um 650

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days i think and then her longest stint

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out there was 300 days or

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289 actually

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so uh just short of scott kelly's uh who

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was there

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you know a little bit longer than that

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asked her about a lot of stuff you'll be

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able to read about it at den of geek uh

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even this week but i did ask her about

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ufos

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and i tweeted about it in facebook so

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you guys could see it but essentially

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what she said is she doesn't know much

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about ufos but that the there's a lot

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out there and it's a big universe and

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um doesn't think anything's not possible

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she's open to the idea which was kind of

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interesting but

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that was about all she had to say about

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now alejandro did she talk about any ill

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effects from being in space so long

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she did we did talk a little bit about

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that and and i can't remember the

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details right now but that will be in a

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story that i'll have coming out probably

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next week at den of geek so we talked

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about scott kelly a bit and some of the

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bad effects that he had but she

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essentially talked about one of the

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things that you talked about that that

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they're working on that they don't have

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a solution for yet is bone density so

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i guess your bone density can return but

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your bone quality

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cannot so you do have some sort of

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deterioration of your bone

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but she is hopeful

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that uh and they're working on perhaps

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different drugs or

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things that can be taken that will help

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um keep that from being an issue so that

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was one issue that yeah i was not aware

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of that she brought up with me as an

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example of

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what she feels is one of kind of their

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major um hurdles for a long time you

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know humans spending a long time in

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it's something she's

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confident that will get

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alejandro do you think they're ever

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going to come up with something like you

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see in these uh you know the

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sci-fi movies where they have

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they have the craft orbit really quickly

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like centrifugal force do you think

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something's ever going to come up like

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you're not hearing me

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ah all right um

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can you hear me alejandro

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uh peter where did you go peter can you

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uh wow this is starting out pretty cool

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not so good actually so we're having

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yeah alejandro i don't know what's going

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on um i have a great um

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i have a great signal

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alejandro i'm gonna hang up on you and

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try you back

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wow i don't know what's going on

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uh by the way i'm going out to uh

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chicago um tomorrow

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um for over the memorial day weekend

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hope to see uh my good friend uh sam

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moronto out there he's

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probably going to be stopping by we'll

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try alejandro again

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uh looks like we're having a skype

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problem with alejandro and i believe uh

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you're on mute you're still muted mike

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it's not muted anymore peter how are you

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um i'm fine uh thanks where i i think

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it's alejandro's end on skype because um

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he's not even answering you hear me

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clearly don't you

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are we going to get through this peter

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even with the bumpy start yeah all right

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so uh i apologize to the to the listener

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we're not sure what happened to

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alejandro

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um we're back with peter

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and uh peter robbins

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we met up in maine uh boy i'm telling

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you like five six years ago something

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that's right and we've kind of been

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staying in touch uh well we've been

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staying in touch um ever since

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through good and bad when you were yeah

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even when you were in russia that's

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right yeah and it's been a while since

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you've been on the show i'm really glad

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to have you back

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i'm glad to be back martin yeah

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and uh so peter for the person who has

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uh heard you before can you give them

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the background story and i want you to

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tell uh you've told it before on the

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show um you had a sighting very young

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and if i remember correctly you forgot

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about it is that right

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i i worked very hard to uh forget about

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it at the age of 14 yes

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it involved myself and my sister helen

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we were playing outside of the house

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that we grew up in

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in a very lovely village about 30 miles

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i was born in new york city but my

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a beautiful late morning in june

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clear blue sky

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and one of those times in a small town

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there's absolutely nothing going on no

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cars going by no ice cream truck

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six feet to the left of me and i caught

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vision

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immediately called her attention to it

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as five silvery white

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disc shaped objects um not round

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oval like if you take a dinner plate and

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stainless steel more like you know

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we could clearly make out regular

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detailing around the

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perimeter of each one

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that was the way that

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at an appreciable different distance

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you might read windows on a conventional

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i was it was a particularly innocent

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time and i was a particularly innocent

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for those that

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are old enough to remember leave it to

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beaver that was about my speed i was a

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mega nerd i collected stamps

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bugs i read a lot i wasn't into sports

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my only thoughts up until that moment

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about

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flying saucers

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was that they were real in the movies

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that i would sometimes see on a saturday

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afternoon with some of my geeky little

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buddies

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and i saw some great black and white bee

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movies back then

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but i

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guess i intuited the

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adult message about them that they

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didn't really exist

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but there they were and there was no

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ambiguity they were

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they had no appendages

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and i went through an immediate reaction

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that i've since uh chronicled with

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i'm sure several hundred people over the

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decades that i've come to call the

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checklist reaction you look up in the

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sky

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and you see a thing or things and you

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immediately rattle through in your brain

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everything they're not

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airplanes kites helicopters blimps

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balloons birds

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flotsam and jetsam uh

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reflections from the ground

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strange-shaped clouds

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and i kind of hit the wall

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i experienced a moment of

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loneliness

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that was incredibly deep and with it

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came the realization

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that

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if they were real

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and the adult world said they most

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certainly were not

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then everything i thought i knew might

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be open to question

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um i was in adolescence

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being run by my hormones

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uh

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wanting more than anything

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to be taller to have better hair

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to have cooler clothes to not be wearing

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glasses and most of all to have a

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girlfriend

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and i i thought very seriously if i ever

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talk about this

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word will get out people will make fun

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of me and

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that part of my life will never happen

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and i'm not really joking um

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i started to run

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into the house to tell my mother

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i was knocked out or passed out

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i got up

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uh went into the house

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walked up the stairs on an intuition

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that my sister

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would be there she was in her bedroom

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with her back to me looking out

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the back window

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i thought private moment

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i went into the kitchen where our mom

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was making us lunch and i told her

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and

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i didn't remember because i again put it

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out of my mind for more than 14 years

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i joke with people and say

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if i had other repressed memories in

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childhood i don't remember them but this

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was the one

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and

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once i should jump ahead for a moment

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and say

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once the memory did come back and i more

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than confirmed it with my sister

335
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over the next few years i uh

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voluntarily and with great curiosity

337
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underwent hypnotic regression with the

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hypnotist that i knew

339
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ultimately with bud hopkins one of my

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mentors and a dear friend

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who i worked for for many years as his

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assistant

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and another mentor a tough no-nonsense

344
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new york city police detective

345
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who had been trained in hypnotic

346
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regression for criminal investigation

347
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but was also a crack ufo researcher

348
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and the words that i said to my mother

349
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were

350
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mom helen and i just saw some things in

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the sky that looked like flying saucers

352
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from the movies

353
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i should say here that my mother

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although she did not remember this many

355
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years later when helen and i sat down

356
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with her and my dad to talk to them

357
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about this

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she made an extraordinarily wise

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decision she looked at me

360
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seriously

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and didn't say anything and i thought to

362
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myself

363
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this is the way grown-ups look at each

364
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other

365
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i have interviewed more people than i

366
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can remember

367
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who

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as adults reflect back on

369
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when my kid came to me and said

370
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something like that my reaction was oh

371
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honey you just thought it looked like

372
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that

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or a child who has grown up reflecting

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on

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my parents put me down you know either

376
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because they couldn't handle it or they

377
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but

378
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my sister later that afternoon said you

379
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want to talk about this and i said no

380
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and within a matter of weeks i had

381
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however we do these things martin

382
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not even convince myself that it didn't

383
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happen

384
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i forgot about it and absolutely nothing

385
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rattled it loose until 14 and a half

386
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years later when that memory came

387
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roaring back

388
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in undeniable uh fashion

389
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and

390
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um i was compelled to telephone my

391
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sister after thinking through what i

392
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would say

393
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and had at least the foresight to say

394
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:15,279
i've remembered something from childhood

395
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and i need to know what you remember

396
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but i i feel if i tell you what i

397
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:22,160
remember i'll never know you'll say yes

398
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or no

399
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and i'll never know in my heart if you

400
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really had the same memory and i

401
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,279
decided to set the scene

402
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:31,040
the weather where we were standing in

403
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:32,959
relationship to each other on the front

404
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lawn

405
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uh the time of year was that she stopped

406
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:37,360
me mid-sentence and said stop i know

407
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:39,440
what you're talking about

408
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:42,079
confirm the memory um

409
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:44,000
except she wasn't sure whether it was

410
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:44,959
five

411
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or six

412
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:48,079
uh which we very quickly worked out the

413
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:49,759
next day because that afternoon i did a

414
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:50,720
painting

415
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:53,360
of six of them so that i could hold my

416
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:55,040
hand over one when i showed it to her

417
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,040
the next day and she realized it was

418
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,600
five because it was a very precise

419
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,920
balanced v so it had to have been an odd

420
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,360
number

421
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:05,520
and then she said something to me that

422
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,280
changed my life forever

423
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:10,079
which was but there's more and i don't

424
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:11,919
know if you're going to like it and went

425
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:16,240
on to describe what now i would say

426
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:17,280
i've heard

427
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,880
variations on very close variations on

428
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:23,120
not dozens but i'm sure several hundred

429
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:24,959
times over the decades

430
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:27,760
of memories of somebody

431
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:30,400
being taken aboard a craft

432
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,679
uh

433
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:33,520
this was more than 40 years ago that we

434
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,120
had this discussion

435
00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:37,919
and the term gray was not being used but

436
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,919
she described archetypical grays

437
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,360
accompanying her

438
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:44,160
a tall one then being on a table being

439
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:45,440
examined

440
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,200
and my

441
00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:48,799
career

442
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,559
that i had dreamt of since i was young

443
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,360
of being an artist in new york city

444
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:55,840
began to lose meaning to me immediately

445
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,320
and i resented the hell out of it

446
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,200
that was all i wanted to be and i was in

447
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,720
the process of beginning to live that

448
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,120
dream but something

449
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,280
obsessed me from that point on was more

450
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,320
important uh and it was this subject and

451
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,320
this work and here we are

452
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,559
talking about all these years later

453
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:17,280
peter when you said it came rushing back

454
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,320
to you

455
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,000
what what triggered that what in

456
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:22,160
particular made that happen

457
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:23,919
yeah that's a very important question i

458
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,120
think a combination of things um

459
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,080
i as a painter was teaching painting at

460
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,760
my alma mater at the time the school of

461
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:33,039
visual arts

462
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,320
uh figure drawing and painting um and

463
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,000
and general painting

464
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:41,039
and as is part of your job as an

465
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:43,280
instructor you hire models

466
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,200
often figure models

467
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,720
and

468
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:47,919
i had

469
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:53,120
head over heels for

470
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:55,440
and

471
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,720
asked her out uh after we were done with

472
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,720
our three weeks of work it would be very

473
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,200
inappropriate to do so before

474
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,080
she told me that she had a boyfriend but

475
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:07,600
i think kind of feeling a little sorry

476
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,440
for me said but i did something recently

477
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,679
that i really got a lot out of it was

478
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,280
called est

479
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,200
i had never heard of this or human

480
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:17,280
potential workshop but i thought

481
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,559
whatever it is i'll do it and um

482
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:22,880
who knows maybe she'll come around

483
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,000
she did not but i had done it

484
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,000
some weeks before and was kind of opened

485
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:30,000
up in a way that i hadn't been

486
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,039
also this would have been um in february

487
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,840
of 1975 i lived down in new york's

488
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:37,120
chinatown

489
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:40,880
in uh off the beaten tourist strip area

490
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,200
more working-class chinese

491
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,960
and

492
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:47,360
in the old days before mayor giuliani

493
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,640
banned fireworks or officially

494
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:52,320
cracked down on it and they looked the

495
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,440
other way

496
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,280
uh up until then

497
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,880
um it's

498
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,120
a 5 000 year plus part of the tradition

499
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:00,880
of chinese new year

500
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:03,360
you don't sleep much it was 48 hours of

501
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:07,280
explosions and smelling cordite

502
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,559
also

503
00:20:12,150 --> 00:20:10,240
a former girlfriend of mine who i

504
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,160
remained friends with had done an

505
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,640
extraordinary thing for me

506
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,799
my grandmother had saved

507
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,559
several dozen drawings i did from the

508
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,840
age of about six up until about 14 the

509
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,360
time that this had happened and gave

510
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,799
them back to me

511
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,360
and peggy

512
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,200
who did layout and paste up work in the

513
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,760
old days it was on acetate said i've got

514
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,000
a lot of acetate from my last job let me

515
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,640
take those drawings and encase them in

516
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,559
acetate with electrical tape so they

517
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,720
won't break up some of them are on

518
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,039
middle paper and fairly fragile

519
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,799
and i was going through those drawings

520
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,720
that afternoon

521
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,880
again nothing with the subject matter

522
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,280
but the time frame i think most

523
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,039
important of all

524
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,520
my mind was just ready to deal with

525
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,120
this memory

526
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,120
so there's nothing really in particular

527
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,679
that jarred it other than going through

528
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,240
what you were seeing uh going through a

529
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,600
period of

530
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,480
time

531
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,919
where you were doing drawings and then

532
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,200
you looked at the drawings again and

533
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:11,200
that brought you back to that

534
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,120
time frame and that's what made you that

535
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,200
triggered the memory

536
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,559
am i getting that

537
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,799
um i you didn't come through very

538
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,600
clearly on that last part say it again

539
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,720
uh so you're saying that that's kind of

540
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,799
exploring your past is how that kind of

541
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,320
triggered that

542
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,480
well again i think i think i'm making

543
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,080
just an educated guess here that it was

544
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,760
a combination of things

545
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,720
having done a a workshop that uh i

546
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,400
didn't sleep much through

547
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,360
a lot of ideas being presented to me uh

548
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,600
a little sleep deprived over that

549
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,919
previous days because of the chinese new

550
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,200
year

551
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:49,520
looking at drawings that i had done from

552
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,960
that period and again most important

553
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:54,880
i think my mind was just ready to deal

554
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,720
with it and the memory came roaring back

555
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,559
i see wow

556
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,679
and uh

557
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,880
so

558
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,720
it's funny how you're not the first

559
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,080
person that's told me that they've

560
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,919
pushed the memory away there's so many

561
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,919
people have said that i'm sure you've

562
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,360
talked to a number of people that have

563
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:13,200
done the same thing

564
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,159
indeed

565
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,000
and uh i think that's uh when there's

566
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,360
any like major trauma in someone's life

567
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,760
you can either do that or not and oh

568
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,120
yeah um

569
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,640
uh it happens regularly with much more

570
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,159
and very

571
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,480
tragic conventional traumas

572
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:32,559
the death of beloved parent

573
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,919
abuse psychological or sexual

574
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,919
any number of things that one would

575
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:39,440
naturally want to

576
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,480
put out of your mind as a young person

577
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:44,080
i've heard the saying if you push it

578
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:51,029
so

579
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,520
have a question come in from the chat

580
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,280
i'm sorry not from the chat from uh

581
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,919
email earlier who actually wanted you to

582
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:05,840
talk a little bit about working with bud

583
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,880
um and bob bud hopkins

584
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,880
uh

585
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,679
interesting man great man um and i still

586
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,679
i i follow his artwork i really like his

587
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,000
abstract work um i see it come up at

588
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,919
auction all the time

589
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,559
yeah and uh but anyway

590
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,320
uh i know you're really really close

591
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,559
friends with him and

592
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,520
uh he was a real loss to the community

593
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,600
when he when he passed away

594
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,679
um but someone wanted to know what your

595
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,919
more interesting moments were working

596
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,000
with him

597
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:40,159
well there were many

598
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:43,840
the memory returned in 1975

599
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,919
but and i met in 1976

600
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:50,400
when he published his very first

601
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,440
article

602
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,000
on his very first ufo investigation

603
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:56,159
which i read

604
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,039
was

605
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,039
extremely impressed

606
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,039
with his uh

607
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:02,960
methodical

608
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,280
following through on this case

609
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,960
with the fact that he was a wonderful

610
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,840
writer uh the new york art world is is

611
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:12,240
fairly small and i knew there was a late

612
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,200
period

613
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,240
abstract expressionist

614
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,320
by that same name and same spelling

615
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,000
whose work i'd seen in a group show a

616
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,600
few years before

617
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,039
and i found him in the phone book and i

618
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,520
cold called him introduced myself as a

619
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:27,200
fellow artist with an interest in this

620
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:28,240
subject

621
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:29,200
um

622
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,240
we met for coffee a few days later and

623
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,080
sat at his kitchen table

624
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:36,799
down in the chelsea district in new york

625
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,240
talked about art life and ufos

626
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,320
not without some irony the title of his

627
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,200
wonderful memoir last book that he wrote

628
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,520
and i had no idea be the first of

629
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,600
hundreds and hundreds of such talks at

630
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:51,360
that table

631
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
over

632
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,000
the next decades

633
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,600
this was still five years before he

634
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,799
published his very first ufo book

635
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,559
missing time which really was a game

636
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,760
changer uh exploring the abduction

637
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,080
phenomena which overall

638
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,400
was the last thing that most ufologists

639
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,720
wanted to uh be associated with at the

640
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,679
time

641
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,840
the ridicule factor of just being an

642
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,799
adult

643
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,600
who

644
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,960
studied ufos was rough enough without

645
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,640
discussing or

646
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,640
focusing on the occupants

647
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,000
and

648
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,559
after that book came out as a painter

649
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,799
his life changed considerably and he

650
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,559
became quite well known in the field of

651
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,640
ufo studies

652
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,640
but in nineteen and i began to work for

653
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,120
him part-time as people began to write

654
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,360
to him

655
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,360
i also um

656
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,919
it accelerated after 1987 with the

657
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,520
publication of

658
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:48,400
his true international bestseller

659
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,600
intruders the story of a young woman who

660
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,919
lived in kokomo indiana who had lifelong

661
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,400
experiences and focusing in on a very

662
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,720
particular aspect of it

663
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,240
she is still a dear friend and i still

664
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,559
stay in contact with her

665
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,679
i responded over those decades to

666
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,159
several thousand letters

667
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:10,000
from people around the world around the

668
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,120
country

669
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,880
always with a handwritten note but

670
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,480
insisted on that

671
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,919
and um

672
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,520
ultimately began to assist him in

673
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,600
investigations besides

674
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,919
filing and uh

675
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,240
sitting in as a witness on regressive

676
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,320
hypnotic sessions that he had been very

677
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,520
well trained

678
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,600
to conduct

679
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,400
but as to your

680
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:33,840
the question

681
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,880
if there was one case that was the most

682
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,799
compelling the most memorable

683
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:41,279
the one that i was most involved in

684
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,080
that began in 1989 with a letter from a

685
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,080
a woman named linda who lived in lower

686
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,600
manhattan

687
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,799
and it was not actually until around

688
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,640
thanksgiving that she came in to

689
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,760
actually

690
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,799
sit down

691
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:58,400
and meet with bud

692
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,360
um

693
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,080
the case was the most extraordinary one

694
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,200
um

695
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,960
i've ever studied i've ever been

696
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,960
involved in i've ever seen so much

697
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:09,120
credible information around

698
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,919
um

699
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,240
and it became known as the brooklyn

700
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,559
bridge ufo case

701
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:16,400
wow and i know exactly when you're

702
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,440
talking about

703
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,080
for the listeners yeah i'd love to you

704
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,919
to go into detail in that case if you

705
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,799
would

706
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,600
yeah um well um

707
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,919
the most the um

708
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,919
the event that

709
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,640
sent us into a life-changing

710
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,880
investigation and it lasted six years

711
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,200
the book witness the true story of the

712
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,520
brooklyn bridge ufo abductions was

713
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,080
published in 1996

714
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,600
and um

715
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,120
linda

716
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,120
as is the case with people who have

717
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,799
these experiences

718
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,080
uh

719
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,320
became aware one night that she was

720
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:54,159
levitating above her bed in her

721
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,360
nightgown

722
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:56,960
and was then

723
00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:00,000
floated through a solid glass

724
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,120
window

725
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,080
i believe 12 stories up uh with a number

726
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,520
of small beings taken into a craft

727
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,200
which then took off this is all

728
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,200
happening within very close proximity to

729
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:13,600
the brooklyn bridge on the east river

730
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,840
and the craft dived into the river

731
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,000
and then the story continued further out

732
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:21,600
on a beach on long island and that was

733
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,430
linda remains a very dear friend we're

734
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,679
back and forth sometime several times a

735
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:30,960
week

736
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,399
she's a remarkable woman and

737
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,360
the thing

738
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,950
got to me as a very pragmatic

739
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,440
investigator and bud was too

740
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,640
was bud began to get letters

741
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,720
from people in different parts of

742
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,080
greater new york

743
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,000
who had observed this now it happened

744
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,520
about two in the morning

745
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,480
but new york never sleeps and

746
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,640
downtown there's a lot of businesses

747
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,760
going on

748
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,600
um

749
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,039
the letters were all in different

750
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,000
handwritings different postmarks

751
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,399
most of them contain drawings and as two

752
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,960
trained artists looking at

753
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,679
drawings that were done

754
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,840
with effort with seriousness with high

755
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:17,200
intention

756
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,240
by

757
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,000
so many different people

758
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,399
and seeing the same shapes the same

759
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,120
color schemes the same descriptions

760
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:27,440
the same shock of

761
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:30,399
i thought they were making a movie

762
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,880
what happened mr hopkins can you tell us

763
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,559
i think it's one of the most important

764
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,159
books and one of the most challenging

765
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,520
books

766
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,159
that will ever exist in the abduction

767
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,720
literature and for anybody who's a

768
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,799
serious student of the subject

769
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,679
or

770
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,399
just interested in jumping in

771
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,360
to

772
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,559
an extraordinarily well researched and

773
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,399
investigated case

774
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,440
uh this is a must for your library

775
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:02,000
now wasn't there someone

776
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,279
um

777
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,679
i want to say like a government witness

778
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,080
there was something there was somebody

779
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,640
who i was sworn to secrecy for some time

780
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,120
who but actually met with and linda

781
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,799
certainly met with

782
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,960
um who um

783
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,399
was

784
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,440
at the time the secretary general of the

785
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,159
united states of the united nations a

786
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,000
reason that uh

787
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,399
many skeptics immediately dismissed the

788
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,600
story

789
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,000
it can't be therefore it isn't therefore

790
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:33,919
it's delusional or a lie or what have

791
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,039
you uh but indeed it was

792
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,000
and um he was downtown

793
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,720
possibly on a a liaison he had two

794
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,240
security people

795
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,679
um

796
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,440
with an affair with a woman or what have

797
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,120
you i don't know what he was doing there

798
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:50,720
at two in the morning

799
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,919
but the two security people became very

800
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,559
involved in the story as well

801
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,840
and one of them

802
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,360
once again

803
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:01,200
you can't well you can make this stuff

804
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,000
up

805
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,440
but nobody did here um

806
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,360
had been brought together with linda

807
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:08,960
when they were children

808
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,080
and they remembered each other it's an

809
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,039
incredibly emotional story and uh it's a

810
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,320
good thing bud took a full six years to

811
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,480
back it up with the kind of evidence

812
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:22,880
that you would find in a capital case in

813
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,669
again

814
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,000
the whole abduction phenomena

815
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,640
is so difficult to wrap our heads around

816
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:34,320
i have been looking at it from different

817
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,279
angles

818
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,960
and with bud

819
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,519
had the privilege of being

820
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,279
a bug on the wall

821
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,360
at his shoulder working directly with

822
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,360
speaking directly with

823
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,200
so many individuals that had had this

824
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,240
happen speaking with family members uh

825
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,000
medical and mental health professionals

826
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,080
that had worked with these people who at

827
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,799
a certain point threw their hands up

828
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:58,000
about any

829
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,039
possible

830
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:02,080
um conventional remotely conventional

831
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,240
explanations governing this phenomena

832
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,760
but it is real

833
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,600
it happens to more people than most of

834
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,840
us are comfortable even thinking about

835
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,519
and it continues to happen to them to

836
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,120
this day

837
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,760
strange so uh

838
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,399
so after you know bud's gone

839
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,600
um

840
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,399
did you stay involved in any part of

841
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,200
that aspect of this field or did you

842
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,039
just move on on your own

843
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,519
no absolutely

844
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,679
i got involved because it happened to my

845
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:34,799
sister

846
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,789
i realized that

847
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:43,200
it was very important work

848
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:44,159
um

849
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,640
having the right temperament for this

850
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,399
having worked for eight years in new

851
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,399
york city

852
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,200
as a crisis intervention volunteer

853
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,600
and shift supervisor on the busiest

854
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,720
suicide hotline in the united states

855
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,360
i am good working under stress

856
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,600
with people um

857
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,840
who are sometimes at their wits end

858
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,799
um no and it just continued as a thread

859
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,760
in my life and it does to this day not a

860
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,000
week passes where i

861
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,000
don't hear from somebody who knows that

862
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,320
i will keep their confidence be a good

863
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,720
listener respect what they're saying

864
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,200
do my best if possible to refer them to

865
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,480
an appropriate

866
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,399
professional if there's one remotely in

867
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:29,679
their area

868
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,080
or reassure them that they are not crazy

869
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,679
and we lost bud in august of 2011

870
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,720
to cancer at the age of 80 and no day

871
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,880
passes where i don't miss him

872
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,880
right right

873
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,480
one thing i want to make clear to the

874
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,799
listener out there is when you say

875
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,159
you're kindly

876
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,039
helping people

877
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,919
you're not doing this for money or

878
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,600
that that's the thing that people get

879
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,760
confused about a lot of people think

880
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,799
that oh

881
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,640
you know you guys do this for the money

882
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,919
or something like that and it's kind of

883
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,080
a joke isn't it

884
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,560
is and it would be funny if it wasn't so

885
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,320
insulting however

886
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,119
um in 1989

887
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,079
bud founded a non-profit foundation

888
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,079
called the intruders foundation it had

889
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,200
several mandates to work with and assist

890
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,679
people who had had these experiences

891
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,320
to support them in every way possible

892
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,040
to have outreach programs

893
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,560
bring speakers to new york on the

894
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,040
subject

895
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,760
and to do what we could to educate a

896
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,599
broader part of the public

897
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,000
uh this was all volunteer work for me i

898
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,000
made my living as

899
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,560
a painting instructor a painter and

900
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,919
doing

901
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,040
whatever

902
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:49,440
however there came a time a year or so

903
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:50,320
later

904
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:51,359
when

905
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,910
whose name i know but i don't know if

906
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,400
it's it's fair to say

907
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,800
gave bud some several thousand dollars

908
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,640
to continue the work

909
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,200
and bud said congratulations you are now

910
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,480
professional i'm going to pay you eight

911
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:10,000
dollars an hour

912
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,720
so

913
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:12,880
i did get paid eight dollars an hour for

914
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,079
almost a year wow uh that salary was up

915
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,160
to ten dollars an hour and i'm not

916
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,240
hiding the fact and then we ran out of

917
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,320
money and for the rest of his life i

918
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,359
continued on as a volunteer

919
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,079
oh that's really funny yeah

920
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,160
yeah so i wasn't it for the money yeah

921
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,119
that's right that's right and um uh what

922
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,040
i don't i hope i'm not calling attention

923
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,440
wrongly but the books behind you are

924
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:39,200
those anything to do with ufos and

925
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,320
research

926
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,160
or is that just other types of art books

927
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,280
or something um no most of the books in

928
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,839
my study here and i am a bibliophile

929
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,079
i've loved books since i was a kid i

930
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,520
collect books

931
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,520
but most of the books in this room that

932
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:56,720
i i do my work in uh are related to the

933
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,640
subject and let me just

934
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,720
take a moment this is for youtube

935
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:04,160
listeners of course

936
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,710
wow

937
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,560
it's actually just a painted backdrop to

938
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,720
make me look small

939
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:14,000
yeah

940
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:23,270
thanks for showing us that that's great

941
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,839
i i started collecting ufo books in uh

942
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,760
only about five years ago so i don't

943
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,680
have much of a collection i have

944
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,240
my house has libraries all several

945
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:36,720
libraries so one of the reasons i think

946
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,160
we get along as famously as we do yeah

947
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,480
right i wish more people regarded books

948
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,280
as we did and i wish more people read i

949
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,800
like frightening i like the look of

950
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,800
books too i like the look of like a nice

951
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:51,040
leather-bound book on a shelf absolutely

952
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,599
yeah i think we're a little off topic so

953
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,560
so now what um

954
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,800
tell the listening audience if you would

955
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,480
how you then

956
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,079
uh carried over and i want to talk a

957
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:06,000
little bit about um

958
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:06,839
left at

959
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,480
eastgate um so did i say that right

960
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,599
yeah yeah so uh but how did you how did

961
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:15,440
you progress

962
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,400
um

963
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,880
how did things progress to get to that

964
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,800
point where you started you got involved

965
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,880
with larry warren and started

966
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,440
um on that venture

967
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,440
in 1987

968
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:29,760
it was the 40th anniversary of roswell

969
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,680
the kenneth arnold sightings uh the

970
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,359
40th anniversary of the modern age of

971
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,040
ufo sightings

972
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:38,880
and

973
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,000
the mutual ufo network mufon the largest

974
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,720
ufo organization in the world

975
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,440
based in this country

976
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,640
had a particularly memorable conference

977
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,640
it was held at american university in

978
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,560
washington d.c

979
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,720
and i attended it with a friend and

980
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,320
among the speakers

981
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,040
was this young man who purported to be a

982
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,960
witness to a case that um

983
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:06,320
first broke

984
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,040
in england where it happened uh and

985
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,880
around the world simultaneously of

986
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:15,119
course in uh

987
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,510
and i had followed the case ever since

988
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,680
it still stands as

989
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,040
great britain's

990
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,599
best known and i think most significant

991
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,440
ufo incident

992
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,800
and his talk was very compelling

993
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,839
we met

994
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,079
i i should say i wasn't a speaker there

995
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,320
but i was on panel discussion

996
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,520
about the abduction phenomena

997
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,760
that was being chaired by dr david

998
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,800
jacobs

999
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,440
a historian from temple university and a

1000
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,079
well-known abduction researcher

1001
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,079
and i was there in in

1002
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,720
a double spirit as the assistant about

1003
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,040
hopkins and as somebody that grew up

1004
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,680
with an abductee in the family

1005
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,640
my future co-author heard me and decided

1006
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,320
i was the person he wanted to write a

1007
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,839
book with about his incident

1008
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,839
and we met in the hallway rather

1009
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,200
inadvertently on the sunday decided i

1010
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,960
decided i wanted to do an interview with

1011
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,200
him i didn't know he had any intention

1012
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,599
of writing a book

1013
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:23,920
but i was 12 years into the work at that

1014
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,720
point and starting to think about

1015
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,720
um

1016
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,720
a more in-depth project i had had

1017
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,800
articles published by that time i

1018
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,200
certainly had spoken at conferences

1019
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,200
and i probably would have ended up

1020
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,280
writing a book not surprisingly on the

1021
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,119
abduction phenomena

1022
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,880
possibly about working with bud and the

1023
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,920
like

1024
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,320
and he came to my apartment the next

1025
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,280
weekend made his proposal

1026
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,920
i took it at face value accepted and we

1027
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,320
began to work on a book

1028
00:39:58,829 --> 00:39:56,720
that took us nine years until completion

1029
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,839
and was published in

1030
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,920
1997 nine years wow

1031
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,800
yeah

1032
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,880
um

1033
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:07,200
it did moderately well in this country

1034
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:10,320
uh rarely do ufo books really take off

1035
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,119
here

1036
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,800
but it did very well in the united

1037
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,640
kingdom and

1038
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:16,960
over the next years

1039
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,320
i lectured on the subject

1040
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,440
certainly

1041
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,079
with him on my own

1042
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,480
continued to research it continued to

1043
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,480
return to the area

1044
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,480
i was fascinated by this particular

1045
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,440
incident and all of its permutations

1046
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,800
and

1047
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,599
it was not until a little over two years

1048
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:38,800
ago

1049
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,560
that his account started to unravel

1050
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,200
i went into some very serious denial

1051
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,480
about it i

1052
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,240
rejected the possibility that i could

1053
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,680
have been taken in

1054
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,640
by somebody who was telling me

1055
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:55,280
half truths confabulations lies as well

1056
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,030
but

1057
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,720
people started to do their own

1058
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,280
investigations and started to write to

1059
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,839
me with increasing frustration

1060
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,680
uh until i began to look at this

1061
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,319
material and much to my

1062
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,680
embarrassment

1063
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,880
horror

1064
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,040
sadness embarrassment

1065
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,319
i realized that um

1066
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,920
at the least a good deal of what he had

1067
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,000
told me that i had believed

1068
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,079
uh that i had not double checked on

1069
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:28,160
certain things that i had taken his word

1070
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,040
for

1071
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,319
um

1072
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,560
and that he was in no way the person

1073
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,400
that i thought he was

1074
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,280
uh

1075
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:38,960
beginning a period of time which

1076
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,920
certainly was the roughest i've ever had

1077
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,000
in what i'll laughingly call my career

1078
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,440
in ufology

1079
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,240
um i have spent a good part of the last

1080
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,920
year and a half

1081
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,400
making amends with as many of the people

1082
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:54,880
who i ultimately wronged

1083
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,920
or cut off as friends or

1084
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:00,839
misled our readers about

1085
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,240
um and um

1086
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,480
in some respects i will probably never

1087
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,560
live it down and that's the way it is

1088
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,880
i've been through worse in my life

1089
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:12,400
but um

1090
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,720
when it all finally blew up early last

1091
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,640
year

1092
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,720
i had to call it to the attention of our

1093
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,319
publisher

1094
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,319
who

1095
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,359
republished this book in 2005

1096
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,400
in an expanded edition

1097
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,800
alex daki is his name he's a lovely man

1098
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,640
he runs a company

1099
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,480
called

1100
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,960
cosimo books in new york city we had

1101
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,200
become good friends over the years

1102
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,680
and it was with a lot of sadness i had

1103
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,920
to tell him that he needed to conduct

1104
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,680
his own investigation

1105
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,440
and if he had come if he came to the

1106
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,839
same conclusions i had

1107
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:52,720
that

1108
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,079
this book needed to be removed from uh

1109
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,520
publication

1110
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,839
which said me more than i can say i will

1111
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,319
always stand by the parts of the book

1112
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,680
that are mine

1113
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,119
that were not

1114
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,480
influenced

1115
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:09,200
or working on information that i

1116
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,079
believed was real and was not and

1117
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,680
in fact they began their own

1118
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,839
investigation last october they

1119
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,720
completed it in january at which point a

1120
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,560
press release went out that the book was

1121
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:24,640
going out of print it will never be in

1122
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,079
print again before that i

1123
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:30,640
on my own

1124
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,400
removed two follow-up books that i wrote

1125
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,720
once again supporting my former

1126
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,119
co-authors account

1127
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:41,680
one a digital book that was put online

1128
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,839
uh 450 pages um most of which was just

1129
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,760
raw documentation

1130
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:50,720
and a follow-up book

1131
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,920
that really was focused on

1132
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,480
defaming

1133
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,720
the deputy-based commander charles i

1134
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,319
halt

1135
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,079
whose life i helped to make rather

1136
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,920
miserable for

1137
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,560
more than 25 years

1138
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,680
i am glad to say uh

1139
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,240
he and i have uh he has accepted my

1140
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,520
apologies we have been in contact i only

1141
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,760
wish him the best he knows how i feel

1142
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,359
about what has happened

1143
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:21,680
and um

1144
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,280
life goes on wow peter um first of all

1145
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,480
um that is gracious of you to

1146
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,960
apologize and um you know i've talked to

1147
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,800
what's gracious it was the only thing to

1148
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,280
do i'm sorry to say many people are not

1149
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,440
in the habit of admitting publicly that

1150
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,800
they have made

1151
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:41,520
extremely embarrassing error and that's

1152
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,960
a shame uh it's hardly a guy thing but

1153
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,880
that's not the way i was brought up um

1154
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,680
it was the only decision to follow well

1155
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,079
you know you were you were betrayed

1156
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,960
um you're only human uh you believed in

1157
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,000
someone

1158
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,119
and uh they betrayed you and um i'm

1159
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,800
really sorry for that on all those

1160
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,839
accounts

1161
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,480
that i've heard charles halt say you

1162
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:06,160
know he never remembers larry being

1163
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,040
there

1164
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,079
um so let me try to get this

1165
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,319
straight to back up just a little bit

1166
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,440
do you believe that larry just went by

1167
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,599
all the hearsay when the people came you

1168
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,720
know the

1169
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,040
his fellow military people were talking

1170
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,119
about the story behind the scenes

1171
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,640
um do you think he just picked up

1172
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:26,560
everything and then he went public with

1173
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,200
it

1174
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,960
how did all that come about how did he

1175
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,960
come up with his side of the

1176
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,520
the fault story so to speak

1177
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,880
well that's

1178
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,400
something we could do quite a number of

1179
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,400
shows in a row on

1180
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,800
at this point martin i don't even know

1181
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:43,440
what to think about so much of what he

1182
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,839
put on the record

1183
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,319
uh by some accounts he was out there by

1184
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,560
others he was not

1185
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,720
the fact that he knew

1186
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,520
certain things does not necessarily mean

1187
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:58,319
that he was involved in them

1188
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:59,200
but

1189
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,400
i don't know

1190
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,680
and

1191
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,079
as i i wrote in a very long polemic

1192
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:06,240
about this that anybody interested can

1193
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,119
read

1194
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:10,640
by going to uh my website peter robbins

1195
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,680
ny that's in new york uh peter robbins

1196
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,599
ny.com

1197
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,079
front and center you will

1198
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:20,000
have an opportunity to read

1199
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,280
a very long

1200
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,119
response piece that i wrote on this and

1201
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,839
published last june

1202
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:27,359
i

1203
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,280
doubly say here that

1204
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,000
this does not affect

1205
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,400
the reality of the incident which most

1206
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,440
certainly happened was extraordinarily

1207
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,560
significant involved many credible

1208
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,560
witnesses

1209
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,240
first among them

1210
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,920
one of the witnesses on the first night

1211
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,599
john burroughs there were three nights

1212
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,599
larry alleging he's involved on the last

1213
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,960
night who continues i think to lead

1214
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,920
this work and who spoke at a conference

1215
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,160
in woodbridge england

1216
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:06,400
the closest town to where these events

1217
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,359
happened

1218
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,440
just this past weekend

1219
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,880
along with other

1220
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,720
preeminent people involved in

1221
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,440
investigating the case

1222
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,839
i am burned out on it and i feel i've

1223
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,599
lost

1224
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,880
and rightly

1225
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,440
the right to

1226
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,920
participate in continuing research in

1227
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,160
this particular event which at this

1228
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,000
point is fine with me

1229
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,200
i will always hope to return to that

1230
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,440
area i'm hoping to next year

1231
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,040
some of the dearest people in my life

1232
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,960
live in the area it is a fascinating

1233
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,760
part of england only about 70 miles from

1234
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,200
london

1235
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,520
anybody interested in the subject

1236
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,200
planning a visit there

1237
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:49,200
they are welcome to contact me through

1238
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,240
you

1239
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,480
i will help them if i can

1240
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,640
uh to connect up with some friends there

1241
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,760
who can take you to some of the

1242
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,079
locations um

1243
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,640
it's an extraordinarily important event

1244
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,560
and um yes

1245
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,800
i'm just not part of it anymore except

1246
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,880
in the respect that we're talking about

1247
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,440
yes um so peter when

1248
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:10,400
this

1249
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,079
before you confronted larry um

1250
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,160
did you have like a gut feeling like

1251
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,319
something was wrong for that you just

1252
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,559
tried to push away for a while

1253
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,440
or it and and what actually made you say

1254
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:27,520
all of a sudden say okay

1255
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,800
uh all right i have to confront this

1256
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,000
um

1257
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,079
if one reads the book and copies will

1258
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,200
always be available um as used books or

1259
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,119
some of your listeners may have copies i

1260
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,079
have a copy yeah um when you get to the

1261
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,440
part

1262
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,200
in the second half of the book that is

1263
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:47,520
my first person account

1264
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,960
you will read early on that

1265
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,200
i was unsure at times

1266
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:55,520
but i didn't trust my intuition

1267
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,079
i felt the story was that important and

1268
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,880
the rationale that carried me through to

1269
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,000
support him in so many ways for so long

1270
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:09,040
in part revolved around uh my belief

1271
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:10,160
that he

1272
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,319
suffering post-traumatic stress that

1273
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,800
there were people out to bring him down

1274
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,720
and um

1275
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,800
he is nothing if not

1276
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,720
convincing um

1277
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:25,440
passionate in fact very charismatic

1278
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:28,839
uh very likable

1279
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:33,440
um when he wants to put that out there

1280
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,040
but it really um came to a head uh a

1281
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,880
little less than for me a little less

1282
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,480
than two years ago

1283
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,640
at a conference we were both supposed to

1284
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,960
schedule to speak out in glasgow

1285
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:47,119
scotland

1286
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:48,079
we're

1287
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,280
literally

1288
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,160
in the last few days leading to it

1289
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,440
and it was going to be the first time we

1290
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,160
had spoken together on the same stage in

1291
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:57,839
a decade

1292
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,800
which the organizer a great woman in

1293
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,520
glasgow named allison dunlap

1294
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,599
who worked long and hard to raise the

1295
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,000
funds to bring us there

1296
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,240
and did a lot of work to create an event

1297
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:12,000
that was going to culminate with an hour

1298
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:13,200
and a half talk by us

1299
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,480
[Music]

1300
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,760
that a

1301
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,319
a woman posted a note to him

1302
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,800
on an appropriate facebook thread that

1303
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,640
she might be in the audience and if she

1304
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,599
did

1305
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,200
if she was that she was going to ask him

1306
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,680
a question that he might not like

1307
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,960
his

1308
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,800
response not uncommon for him

1309
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,599
unfortunately was to threaten her

1310
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,510
really the

1311
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,079
conference was held at the university of

1312
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,920
glasgow and she i think very

1313
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,359
appropriately brought it to their

1314
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,400
attention

1315
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,240
he was banned from speaking at the

1316
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,920
conference

1317
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:50,559
lied to my face about a number of things

1318
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,359
and then in follow-up when i began to

1319
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,000
question him about specifics he refused

1320
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,960
to answer any of my questions uh started

1321
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:00,319
to threaten me

1322
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:04,480
and um that was it uh enough already

1323
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:05,359
i

1324
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,839
have the courage to

1325
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,599
you know admit

1326
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,240
that he had misled people

1327
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,280
but he would have none of it and um

1328
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:26,079
i haven't been in touch with him in

1329
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,440
well certainly more than a year and a

1330
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,359
half in any manner

1331
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,599
is he do you think that he's just

1332
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:33,359
denying

1333
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,680
ground

1334
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:39,520
i think that it's what he continues to

1335
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:43,119
do and frankly i could care less

1336
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,480
well um it's a what's really the shame

1337
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,760
about this

1338
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,760
for the most part is all the time and

1339
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,040
all the effort

1340
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,040
that you put into this because you

1341
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,880
believed in someone you know and that's

1342
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,200
really not your fault it's really uh

1343
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,680
you know anyone can tend to do that and

1344
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,839
uh you know i i've

1345
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:04,079
i've had conversations with alejandro

1346
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,200
about this and

1347
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,040
you know it is a it's a shame that you

1348
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:08,640
were taken in and

1349
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,000
i'm glad that you um realized it and you

1350
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,000
did something about it so

1351
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:17,520
for you anybody that knows me um

1352
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,280
uh knows my character um

1353
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,920
the only reason i got involved in this

1354
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,160
so many years ago was

1355
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,680
to try to find out what had happened to

1356
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:28,800
my sister

1357
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,920
to try to understand the implications of

1358
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:34,000
this truly anomalous phenomena for

1359
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,280
humanity

1360
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,800
um

1361
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,160
and

1362
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,079
i am the kind of person that can be

1363
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,400
fooled what i would have never imagined

1364
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,400
what i didn't imagine which one of the

1365
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,400
things that shocked me so much

1366
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,559
was that by the time he met me he

1367
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,200
already intended to deceive

1368
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,880
whomever it was he was going to be

1369
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:55,599
working with and by extension are

1370
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,000
thousands of readers

1371
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,760
as a result

1372
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,160
some of the documentation his official

1373
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,319
documentation that he gave me

1374
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,920
had been altered

1375
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,400
which i simply didn't suspect even for a

1376
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,000
moment

1377
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:13,119
and there are other issues outside of

1378
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,390
that

1379
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:20,800
reflect

1380
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,839
character problems that

1381
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:25,040
for me

1382
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:27,760
always enter into the matrix of who you

1383
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,480
are

1384
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,599
i i've had people say well you know the

1385
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,760
fact that he has dealt in rock and roll

1386
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,680
memorabilia that he has forged which is

1387
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,559
an absolute fact going back many years

1388
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,640
uh as well as yeah

1389
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,800
as well as the provenance the forged

1390
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,440
providence for it he's very good at it

1391
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,920
um that shouldn't reflect on his account

1392
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,240
well you know what i disagree

1393
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,559
uh when you don't tell the truth

1394
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,480
you don't tell the truth and it can

1395
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,119
affect any area of your life

1396
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,319
yes i totally agree with that um

1397
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,000
well

1398
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,000
anyway we don't want to stay stuck on

1399
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,880
this subject i do believe that is a

1400
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,440
fantastic case it's it's right up there

1401
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,839
in the top five i've said that very much

1402
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:12,720
so

1403
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,079
very important very convoluted too

1404
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,839
and part of the convolution was possibly

1405
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,240
the larry warren you know larry warren

1406
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:24,400
part of it

1407
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,440
you know

1408
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,319
but

1409
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,359
anyway that's that's over now i'm glad

1410
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,880
uh also

1411
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:32,960
that uh you did what you did with your

1412
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,839
publisher and uh removing the book

1413
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,240
and um you know you did things right

1414
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,000
peter so

1415
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,440
that's all you can do you did things

1416
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:42,240
right

1417
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,119
so

1418
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,440
anyway uh we'll move on from that we

1419
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,240
have uh we had some questions come in

1420
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,160
and let me just pull one up that came

1421
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,000
into

1422
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,640
my email and we will check chat later

1423
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,079
also we're going to

1424
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,359
take calls a little bit later

1425
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,480
so

1426
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,680
um carrie wrote this question into

1427
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:04,559
me

1428
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,760
for you with privately run groups being

1429
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,280
established

1430
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,240
such as youthful talk ufo data

1431
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,240
if they are able to capture scientific

1432
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,880
data that would prove anomalous

1433
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,040
activity in our skies do you think it

1434
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,640
would be

1435
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,480
would gain interest from traditional

1436
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,319
scientific groups and promote interest

1437
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,400
in the study of the subject

1438
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,359
that's an important question kerry

1439
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,079
yes and no

1440
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,079
one of the things i've delved in delved

1441
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:36,640
into over the decades and keep returning

1442
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,520
to

1443
00:55:42,790 --> 00:55:40,319
is the power of ridicule

1444
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,800
relative to this subject which cuts

1445
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,480
across every line

1446
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,319
it can affect everyday folks and very

1447
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,880
famous folks nobody likes to be made fun

1448
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,680
of and in certain careers it can help to

1449
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:54,640
destroy your career

1450
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,950
most people who think of themselves as a

1451
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,799
serious contributing member of our

1452
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,880
greater scientific community

1453
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,960
quote-unquote no

1454
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,720
that there's nothing to the subject

1455
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,880
because if there were they'd know

1456
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,799
they're scientists

1457
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,440
ask any of them if they've ever read um

1458
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:18,960
a book by

1459
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:22,640
donald kehoe or bud hopkins or jacques

1460
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,599
valet

1461
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:24,480
or

1462
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,480
rupaul

1463
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,960
exactly uh mk jessup and of course they

1464
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,160
haven't they're busy people and they're

1465
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:33,599
not going to waste their time on this

1466
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:36,640
stuff um some of them have closet

1467
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,839
interests

1468
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,440
but um

1469
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:42,240
to go public with them no matter what

1470
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:46,160
the alleged evidence suggests

1471
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:49,920
and groups like ufo update i think do us

1472
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,000
a service overall

1473
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:54,000
however the internet at large is a

1474
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,440
double-edged sword

1475
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,079
and it's one thing to show what looks

1476
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,839
like brilliant footage of a truly

1477
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,599
anomalous craft

1478
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,599
and then when you start to dig down and

1479
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,720
find out

1480
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,440
that you really cannot pin down the

1481
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
person who is alleged to have taken the

1482
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,480
photos getting information on the

1483
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,760
location

1484
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,400
any other witness testimonies

1485
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,040
photo analysis for it

1486
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,359
these things begin to fall apart

1487
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:23,680
so i i think we're still some ways off

1488
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,880
on that it may take some extraordinary

1489
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,799
science fiction level event

1490
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:30,880
to wake people up

1491
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,440
especially in the scientific community i

1492
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:37,440
absolutely understand um why

1493
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,670
done deep research into the origins of

1494
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,079
the ridicule factor

1495
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,920
and a paper i'll be happy to forward to

1496
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:52,150
that delves into it

1497
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,760
at length and goes into detail

1498
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,160
uh about people who were presidents

1499
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,160
presidential candidates leading

1500
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,839
political figures

1501
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,839
billionaires uh

1502
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,240
uh important people in

1503
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,319
society so to say well-known people if

1504
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,839
not important

1505
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:11,839
and how every one of them was compelled

1506
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,160
to back down sooner or later

1507
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,680
because

1508
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:18,480
of personal possibility of humiliation

1509
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,280
or

1510
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,920
the possibility of their career going

1511
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,760
down in flames

1512
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,680
uh peter just stepping back a little bit

1513
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,480
to um the former topic

1514
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:31,440
um do you feel as though you are

1515
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:32,720
uh

1516
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,520
like

1517
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,720
a little trigger shy into doing another

1518
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,720
book or do you think you'll you'll write

1519
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,400
more

1520
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,440
right

1521
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,640
yeah thank you

1522
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,640
i'm working on a book right now and i'm

1523
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,520
glad to say i've just accepted um

1524
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,839
an invitation to begin writing regularly

1525
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,000
for one of my two favorite

1526
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,160
online uh

1527
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:56,880
related publications called outer limits

1528
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,920
magazine oh wow that comes to us from

1529
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,119
the uk

1530
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,960
it's right up there with one that's been

1531
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,359
going on for longer called phenomena

1532
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,920
magazine and i encourage all of your

1533
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,799
listeners to subscribe the subscriptions

1534
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,839
are free

1535
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:13,680
there are no strings attached they don't

1536
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,589
but i am working on a book now and um

1537
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,200
yeah it has made me maybe a little

1538
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,559
trigger shy

1539
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,640
of accepting

1540
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,160
uh

1541
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,799
an extraordinary account at face value

1542
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,880
uh without

1543
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,760
doing uh well i i'm a different person

1544
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,920
and more experienced than i was 30 years

1545
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:38,799
ago uh when i got involved in this

1546
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,000
project um most of my work though

1547
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,520
outside of this

1548
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,240
has not never really focused in on an

1549
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,240
individual account

1550
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:50,960
they have to do with moments in post-war

1551
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,950
where i can research it in an archival

1552
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,520
manner through libraries through out of

1553
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,000
print books through interviews with

1554
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:04,559
people who knew people

1555
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,359
and that is more fail safe

1556
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,240
it's longer it's not as sexy

1557
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,280
it's definitely more time consuming

1558
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:14,960
but i've produced a lot of good work in

1559
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,079
that spirit and um a lot of it will be

1560
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,480
in this anthology book that will be out

1561
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:22,319
sometime later this year

1562
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,200
right

1563
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,799
we're going to put the number up on the

1564
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,720
screen peter so

1565
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,240
we're going to invite people to call and

1566
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,480
if anyone wants to give a call i'm going

1567
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,280
to ask ask peter a question

1568
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,839
so we'll get that up um in just a second

1569
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:37,440
here

1570
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,319
so

1571
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,640
um what do you think

1572
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,720
since um this is something you and i

1573
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:44,400
have not had a chance to really talk

1574
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,359
about but

1575
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:47,839
what do you think has changed over the

1576
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,799
last

1577
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,119
uh several months since the december

1578
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,680
16th article came out you know about the

1579
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,000
pentagon researching ufos what do you

1580
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,280
think has changed do you think it's

1581
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:01,839
a different world now

1582
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:04,480
it's not a different world but

1583
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,680
it definitely kind of hit an angle and

1584
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,200
is moving off in a slightly different

1585
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,440
direction what you're referring to for

1586
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,040
those who are not aware

1587
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,599
is last december the new york times

1588
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:17,119
published an article

1589
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,040
uh going into detail about a

1590
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,160
classified project that was funded by

1591
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,640
congress to the tune of 22 million

1592
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,440
dollars with leading congressional

1593
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:32,319
figures seriously involved in it

1594
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,559
even though the story begins as a small

1595
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,520
box story it begins on the front page

1596
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,280
which is very rare for the new york

1597
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,520
times i am probably the only person you

1598
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:45,520
will ever meet who has read every single

1599
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,640
article

1600
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,119
editorial commentary

1601
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:51,440
photo caption letter to the editor

1602
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,559
political cartoon about the subject of

1603
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,839
ufos

1604
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,319
anomalous discs flying saucers that was

1605
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,240
ever published in the new york times so

1606
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,400
i am familiar with the way that they

1607
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,839
work

1608
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:05,520
it was followed

1609
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,760
on the interior section making it a full

1610
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:08,799
page

1611
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,079
with the accounts of two respected

1612
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,920
fighter pilots

1613
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,160
and we have had credible accounts from

1614
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:17,760
fighter pilots in this country and

1615
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:20,480
around the world for decades

1616
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,000
similar scenarios and a genuinely uh

1617
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:26,160
unknown object is cited over your

1618
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:27,520
territory

1619
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,799
it fails to respond to a request to

1620
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,359
identify it jets are scrambled they get

1621
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,079
close enough to see often that it is not

1622
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,160
anything conventional

1623
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,359
and they are ordered to fire on it

1624
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:43,839
in every case that i am aware of

1625
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,559
where they have been

1626
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,480
their electronics go out

1627
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,799
uh they make a quick move to return to

1628
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,160
base as soon as they turn around

1629
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,079
everything comes back on

1630
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:56,160
in many cases they're ordered to go back

1631
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,000
uh at it again same thing happens um

1632
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:02,559
i think there were people credible

1633
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,960
people um people with a public profile

1634
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:09,599
as well as a lot of regular folks who

1635
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,040
are waiting for

1636
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,160
something like this to appear in print

1637
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,599
um in whether you know you're a liberal

1638
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,200
or conservative whether you love the new

1639
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:20,799
york times whether you hate the new york

1640
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:24,880
times um it is a major world publication

1641
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:27,760
it's um

1642
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,119
it kind of gave more credence to how

1643
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:33,760
seriously certain elected officials in

1644
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,960
the know

1645
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:37,440
are about the subject the fact that the

1646
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,640
funding was made available as opposed to

1647
01:03:44,010 --> 01:03:42,720
some mysterious black project that we

1648
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:44,020
can speculate on

1649
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,599
[Music]

1650
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,640
and

1651
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,520
i think it has caused more people

1652
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:51,680
to allow themselves

1653
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:54,559
the luxury if you will of saying to

1654
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,240
somebody else you know i think there is

1655
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,720
something to this subject now i wasn't

1656
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,079
sure before but now i'm more interested

1657
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,319
one thing i can tell you speaking at

1658
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,079
conferences and networking with people

1659
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,640
regularly here and abroad

1660
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,960
especially over the last six or eight

1661
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,480
years

1662
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,200
every year more and more people and

1663
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,599
interestingly uh many of them

1664
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,319
in the 50 to 70 demographic 20 and 30

1665
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,960
something folks

1666
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,280
overall do take the subject seriously

1667
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,960
but they've got a lot of other things on

1668
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,559
their plate

1669
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:30,400
what i'm trying to say is more and more

1670
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,029
care less and less what other people

1671
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:37,280
think about what they think about the

1672
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:40,799
subject and that is important that is a

1673
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:44,319
sea change for me um and i'm seeing and

1674
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:45,599
speaking to more and more of these

1675
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,079
people again uh via social networking um

1676
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,240
people who write me on email contact me

1677
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,359
on my facebook page or who i meet uh and

1678
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,920
get to know sometimes um at conferences

1679
01:05:02,789 --> 01:04:59,760
here and abroad

1680
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,799
yes uh peter we had a caller uh call in

1681
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,480
but i didn't want to interrupt you so

1682
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,039
just to let the people out there know if

1683
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,039
you call in what i'm going to do is you

1684
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:11,200
you'll come in but i'll be putting you

1685
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:12,720
on hold and you're just going to have to

1686
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,480
wait until i introduce you

1687
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,880
so um i encourage the caller to call

1688
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,160
back

1689
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:20,799
and uh so

1690
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,680
so the change uh there was actually

1691
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,599
something i wanted to talk to alejandro

1692
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,440
about because george knapp did this uh

1693
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,680
report with this i team report the other

1694
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,079
day um where they

1695
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,039
going back to the tic-tac back in 2004

1696
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,799
on the nimitz

1697
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:37,760
he

1698
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,720
was able to get some documents

1699
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:42,960
that were very very interesting they

1700
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,920
were talking about the data

1701
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:48,000
that was used the equipment that was

1702
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,200
used

1703
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:50,480
one in particular

1704
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,680
it could track a golf ball at 100 miles

1705
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:55,520
that they were all focusing on this

1706
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,480
object

1707
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:58,799
and it was reacting it was reacting to

1708
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,000
dave fravor the pilot

1709
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,480
the one thing that was very clear

1710
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,319
in this which was really interesting

1711
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,760
because there was some confusion i

1712
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,960
thought there was

1713
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,079
was uh

1714
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:11,760
when the

1715
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,760
hovered shot down to like 50 feet above

1716
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:18,880
the water

1717
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,599
it was actually hovering over an object

1718
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:23,440
down in the water that looked about a

1719
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,480
hundred yards across so this is all this

1720
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,920
is all documents that came out

1721
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:30,079
government documents yeah that george

1722
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:31,520
knapp is working on

1723
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,799
yes so

1724
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:34,240
um and that's available you can just

1725
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,440
search google and you can see it

1726
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,520
actually actually on my website i posted

1727
01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:40,400
the the uh the video of the

1728
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,640
report on

1729
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,599
podcastufo.com if anyone wants to check

1730
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:44,720
that out

1731
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,920
in terms of serious investigators and i

1732
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:49,440
don't mean

1733
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,720
self-trained

1734
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:53,039
investigative writers like me i mean

1735
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,920
real

1736
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:54,960
journalists

1737
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,599
uh you can't get any better than george

1738
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,880
now i agree

1739
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,119
yeah i agree hats off to him

1740
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:03,440
and um he he does not like compliments

1741
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,559
by the way i don't know if you've ever

1742
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,799
noticed that

1743
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:07,920
sorry george

1744
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,319
[Laughter]

1745
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:12,079
okay i'm just typing in if anyone wants

1746
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:13,280
to call in you're just going to have to

1747
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,240
wait until i um until i bring you in

1748
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,630
so

1749
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,960
what do you think has changed as far as

1750
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,359
the overall attitude i think

1751
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:27,440
i've noticed a number of things

1752
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,760
for instance the faa actually released

1753
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,799
audio

1754
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,039
um you know in revol

1755
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,839
regard to that arizona ufo which is

1756
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,200
unheard of

1757
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,440
so i think um i think that there are

1758
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,520
some things changing a little bit

1759
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:42,960
yes

1760
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,079
yeah

1761
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:46,720
the thing is that frustrates some of my

1762
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,760
colleagues especially

1763
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,119
dear friends

1764
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:52,880
who are very active

1765
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:55,520
in what we call the disclosure movement

1766
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,880
is that they're not changing fast enough

1767
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,640
things are changing

1768
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,280
arithmetically

1769
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,920
they change when you see something

1770
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:06,960
that

1771
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,280
like me as a kid radically alters your

1772
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:11,119
perception of the world and

1773
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,240
uh the nature of truth um

1774
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,400
or if somebody you know shares something

1775
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,960
with you uh and again a person who you

1776
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:21,279
absolutely implicitly trust

1777
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,480
um

1778
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,040
but they're changing you know five seven

1779
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:27,359
nine two people at a time they're not

1780
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:28,480
changing

1781
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,839
geometrically i remember early on in his

1782
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:33,679
pioneering work

1783
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,640
as a

1784
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:37,279
a true uh godfather of disclosure

1785
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,560
movement uh

1786
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,000
my good friend and colleague steve

1787
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,000
bassett and i chatting

1788
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:44,239
years ago and steve

1789
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,279
um

1790
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,799
said you know

1791
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,560
you're old enough to remember

1792
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,120
the anti-war movement in vietnam

1793
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,799
war

1794
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,640
i certainly do i was an art student in

1795
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,319
new york at the time and very much

1796
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:57,679
against the war

1797
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,199
um and in the streets uh protesting it

1798
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:02,799
at different times

1799
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,839
and that movement began to really change

1800
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,839
geometrically

1801
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:12,080
after ramsey clark

1802
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,679
left as

1803
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,759
attorney general and i think a week

1804
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:18,319
later emerged as one of the leaders of

1805
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,040
the anti-war movement making lyndon

1806
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:23,040
johnson i'm sure especially unhappy that

1807
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,400
week

1808
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,440
and

1809
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:27,839
when the legendary walter cronkite went

1810
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,719
on cbs that night and made it very clear

1811
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,480
he also felt

1812
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,440
that this was no longer viable and a

1813
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:36,719
wrong war

1814
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:40,239
our parents started to join us young men

1815
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:41,120
uh

1816
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:43,090
who were draft eligible and

1817
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,239
[Music]

1818
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:46,880
women in the field uh who cared about us

1819
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:49,120
as well

1820
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,719
i don't think

1821
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:53,359
the disclosure movement will hit that

1822
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,110
unpredictable

1823
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,920
extremely dramatic that is undeniable in

1824
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,840
an international sense

1825
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,239
happens

1826
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,600
you know i i agree with you on that i've

1827
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:11,840
said that a number of times similar but

1828
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,600
um i also think that if for some reason

1829
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:17,040
that

1830
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:19,280
uh dramatic event happened

1831
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,159
and it was undeniable

1832
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:25,600
i think now we've had so much softening

1833
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,480
for instance just that one particular

1834
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,040
article coming out and some more people

1835
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:32,719
looking into it that never did before

1836
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:33,360
and

1837
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,640
i think our life will just go on i think

1838
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,719
that people will accept it a lot more

1839
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,040
freely now i don't think the world's

1840
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,280
going to come crashing down and religion

1841
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,800
failing and all that i think it's just

1842
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,920
going to be

1843
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,360
accepted and

1844
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,000
it's going to be not forgotten but it's

1845
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:53,920
we're going to live with it

1846
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:56,800
yes and no i think people of faith

1847
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,920
will remain people of faith however

1848
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:02,000
when you and i and like-minded people

1849
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:03,679
discuss this

1850
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:07,920
one thing i often observe is that

1851
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,480
we forget that we live in a bubble

1852
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:12,880
that our views um

1853
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:15,760
long entrenched in many cases surrounded

1854
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,390
make us forget or not be aware the

1855
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:26,640
degree to which we are still very much a

1856
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,920
minority and that the great majority of

1857
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,600
other people in this country and around

1858
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,320
the world relative to this subject

1859
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,480
are doing their best

1860
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,480
hopefully to

1861
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,040
pay their bills raise healthy kids um

1862
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,120
hope that there's social security or

1863
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,280
it's equivalent health services when

1864
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,440
they need them um

1865
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,679
live in a decent society that cares

1866
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,360
about its people

1867
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,280
and otherwise sleepwalking their way

1868
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:55,679
through this subject i think there will

1869
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,960
be a potential tremendous upheaval

1870
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,880
and it's one of the reasons why i'm very

1871
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,120
circumspect about you know power to the

1872
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,960
people everything now

1873
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,800
disclosure on everything

1874
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:08,560
which was the way i felt

1875
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:12,320
decades ago when i got into it but

1876
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,760
if you really care about people and how

1877
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,320
they are overall going to react

1878
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,080
that's something you can't allow

1879
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,239
yourself to forget i'm not sure what the

1880
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,280
solution is but that's a fact

1881
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:27,440
right right

1882
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,320
yeah well i think um

1883
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,400
i think a lot of things have

1884
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,800
like headed toward

1885
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:37,280
you know i heard i heard ufo researchers

1886
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,800
said disclosure has already happened

1887
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,640
basically you know and i think

1888
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,640
maybe that's it's happened to the extent

1889
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,480
it's going to happen i don't know

1890
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:45,679
but um

1891
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,199
i think all the way going back to kepler

1892
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,520
um you know just discovering

1893
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,640
um all these possible earth-like planets

1894
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,719
um and just the fact that we have more

1895
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,120
and more information coming at us all

1896
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:01,360
the time that just seems it's so almost

1897
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,880
impossible for us to be alone um i you

1898
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:06,960
know and that's i think that's that's a

1899
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,920
fair statement and an understatement um

1900
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,480
over the past decade or so even the most

1901
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,840
conservative

1902
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,280
recalcitrant

1903
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,960
uh

1904
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,960
denying um

1905
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:21,360
astronomers and members of the

1906
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,239
space-looking scientific community

1907
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,159
have conceded that there are not just

1908
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:28,239
millions but millions and millions

1909
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,520
potentially of earth-sized planets about

1910
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,840
the same different distance

1911
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,640
that we are from a similar size star to

1912
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:37,760
the sun

1913
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,280
if you are a religious person uh it sets

1914
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:43,040
up the potential for the miracle of the

1915
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,560
creation of life

1916
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,800
by god if you are a secular thinking or

1917
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,520
scientifically oriented person uh it

1918
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,120
sets up the building blocks for the

1919
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,040
primordial ooze that the first

1920
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,400
one-celled animal was created in and

1921
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:58,239
you know gave birth to a two-celled

1922
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:01,760
animal uh a creature whatever

1923
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:02,719
so yeah

1924
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,510
i think

1925
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,360
part of what is keeping

1926
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:11,040
those folks stuck

1927
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,320
besides

1928
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,679
ridicule

1929
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:15,199
is

1930
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:18,080
for some people

1931
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:24,709
hard to think about giving up

1932
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:27,040
the role that we humans have come to

1933
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,679
think of ourselves in even if we are

1934
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,320
the poorest most powerless person we're

1935
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:34,800
still a member of the most complex and

1936
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:37,440
amazing species ever to evolve

1937
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,480
and

1938
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:40,239
maybe they're us a million years from

1939
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,440
now

1940
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:43,760
maybe they are entirely different

1941
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,360
non-carbon based life forms um silicon

1942
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,280
maybe you know they're from another

1943
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,199
dimension right next to us

1944
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,360
you and maine me in new york right now

1945
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,280
enjoying the show very much and have

1946
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:57,120
always been with us and a combination

1947
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,320
thereof

1948
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,400
yeah yeah we have a caller in the line

1949
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,400
uh caller what's your first name and

1950
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,800
where are you calling from

1951
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,110
can you say that again we got a bad

1952
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,880
connection

1953
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,640
yes my name is mike and i'm calling for

1954
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,640
winnipeg can you guys hear me mike from

1955
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,239
winnipeg

1956
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,080
yes sir hi there how you doing you could

1957
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,280
speak up just a little that'd be great

1958
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:23,840
sure i was one of them wanted to know

1959
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,840
peter's thought or position is regarding

1960
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,679
the ut phenomena

1961
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:29,679
and whether or not there is a a

1962
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:34,000
connection or association between it and

1963
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,600
consciousness or you know mental

1964
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:37,840
telepathy

1965
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:42,080
great question mike um it's become

1966
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:45,440
really uh very popular to

1967
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:49,199
backpedal the et hypothesis although i

1968
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,480
think uh

1969
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,800
it's one of the most conservative ones

1970
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:54,400
now in looking at these other

1971
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,840
intelligences

1972
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,320
i've come to feel and based on evidence

1973
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:01,199
that i've seen uh over the decades that

1974
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,960
certainly some

1975
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:03,920
of

1976
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,640
what we call ufo activity

1977
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,360
is representative of advanced technology

1978
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,239
under intelligent control

1979
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,960
and that it's not much of a stretch to

1980
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,719
consider that if they are as

1981
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,120
technologically advanced compared to us

1982
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,960
as they may well be

1983
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,640
that they may

1984
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,480
well also be

1985
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,120
more advanced in terms of consciousness

1986
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:29,760
within the abduction phenomena

1987
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:32,960
we've observed hundreds of times in that

1988
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,679
research area of research specialty

1989
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,840
that they for lack of a better term i've

1990
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,280
never been comfortable with the term

1991
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:42,320
aliens these other intelligences

1992
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,360
can certainly affect our perception so

1993
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,239
um i i think that your question is very

1994
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,640
well founded and i i think that there is

1995
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,360
genuinely something uh to what you're

1996
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,960
asking

1997
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,719
hey mike thanks for the call do you have

1998
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:58,719
any other question

1999
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,400
no that's it thank you a great job thank

2000
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,360
you mike thanks so the lines open if

2001
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,920
anyone wants to call in um peter what do

2002
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,000
you think is the uh

2003
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,760
and i'll try to let you know if we have

2004
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,159
a caller uh calling in so

2005
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,920
uh what is your

2006
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,719
uh

2007
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,080
what do you think is the biggest

2008
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:18,560
challenges that the ufo community has

2009
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,390
i think part of it i think yeah is

2010
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,030
working together more cohesively

2011
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,360
um we human beings and we're no

2012
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:33,920
different in this area of study

2013
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,239
clashes of egos

2014
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:38,400
people putting forward their own

2015
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,000
passionate beliefs

2016
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:42,719
as empirical fact is a big problem for

2017
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,960
me no matter how

2018
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,800
respected or well known or how many

2019
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:48,239
books you sell

2020
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,600
if you make a statement as one person

2021
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:52,560
has

2022
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,239
some time back that all aliens are good

2023
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,760
or that

2024
01:18:03,430 --> 01:17:59,520
a specific number

2025
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:03,440
are visiting our earth now for me

2026
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:07,440
that's complete bull nonsense and

2027
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,920
i don't care how many deep sources you

2028
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,000
have uh

2029
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,159
within um

2030
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,920
the intelligence community the deep

2031
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,840
government

2032
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,040
whether you're the president of the

2033
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,080
united states uh the head of russia

2034
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:24,800
the um

2035
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,440
supreme rulers of six alien races all

2036
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,239
rolled into one being there are certain

2037
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:33,040
things that you cannot know

2038
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,320
in anything remotely provable um this

2039
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:38,000
only hurts the work

2040
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:38,880
um

2041
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:43,120
the sideshows of claims of things that i

2042
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:46,000
consider somewhat outrageous just based

2043
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:47,520
on um

2044
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:50,640
a document that has no provenance that

2045
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:53,360
may have been you know secretly uh

2046
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,400
spirited out of official circles uh with

2047
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,120
a very sincere account from somebody

2048
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,960
who will look you in the eye when they

2049
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:03,199
tell you about you know their mission on

2050
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,870
let me put it this way um

2051
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,120
when i was about 12 years old through my

2052
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,960
love of film and reading i was

2053
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,040
introduced to a character named sherlock

2054
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:19,280
holmes a wonderful creation of an

2055
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:23,600
english writer named arthur conan doyle

2056
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,320
hold it while i terminate that

2057
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,600
hey um i think we have actually um

2058
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,920
peter we may have a caller on the line

2059
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:33,199
let's go for it

2060
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:34,800
do we uh

2061
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:35,840
caller

2062
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,400
are you there

2063
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,000
well i've been called worse things

2064
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,600
before

2065
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,560
hey lee it's so weird lee i never i

2066
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,560
never accepted your call so i i never

2067
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,120
saw you unless i did too at once so lee

2068
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,960
spiegel how are you that's what that's

2069
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:52,480
what that's one of the reasons why you

2070
01:20:03,990 --> 01:19:59,350
because you don't accept my calls hello

2071
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,000
peter hello hi baby

2072
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,080
well you know i i i just couldn't help

2073
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:07,760
myself because when i heard you say the

2074
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:11,199
words primordial ooze oh my gosh i

2075
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,000
wasn't

2076
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:14,080
about you i swear

2077
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:15,760
it it was like it's like you were

2078
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,199
talking about where i lived

2079
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:21,040
yeah if you're in queens that's my

2080
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,199
birthplace man

2081
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:25,520
that's right yes i know i know i know

2082
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,760
i'm i'm i'm watching the ship for you

2083
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:28,880
here

2084
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:35,189
it's nice to see both of you

2085
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:39,199
and and i just wanted to say that i i

2086
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:40,480
actually feel

2087
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:43,920
uh and i'm very pretty sure about this

2088
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:47,920
disclosure has happened and i get really

2089
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:48,960
crazy

2090
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,960
when i hear people say

2091
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:53,040
not only that there's no evidence but

2092
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,280
disclosure is imminent oh come on folks

2093
01:21:02,709 --> 01:20:59,760
you know i it's like

2094
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,719
all that anybody really has to do

2095
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,600
is

2096
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:05,920
do some legwork and i'm not saying you

2097
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:08,640
peter um or you martin or any of the

2098
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,840
other researchers who i respect

2099
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:14,560
uh it's like if people want to believe

2100
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,440
in something that they're going to

2101
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:16,719
believe in it whether they do any

2102
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:18,880
research on it or not but when it comes

2103
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,400
to ufos and if we're being visited by

2104
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,800
anybody from somewhere else and i don't

2105
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,120
care where they might be coming from i

2106
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,199
don't think that's important but there's

2107
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,159
there's tons of evidence out there

2108
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:34,880
um the naysayers the the hard-nosed

2109
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,840
skeptics the debunkers you know they're

2110
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,760
in it for their own agenda

2111
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:40,719
um

2112
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,320
but in in but in terms of agendas

2113
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:47,120
there is no real overall agenda i i

2114
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,640
think that there's plenty of evidence

2115
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:50,480
people just have to go out there do the

2116
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,600
legwork

2117
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,239
read the documents go into historical

2118
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:56,960
records do some research folks and you

2119
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,560
will find stuff that will open your eyes

2120
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:05,430
yes um for those who are not familiar

2121
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,120
with my dear friend and close colleague

2122
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:09,280
lee spiegel once again

2123
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:12,000
um i am a self-trained investigative

2124
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,080
writer lee is a journalist yeah and one

2125
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,360
of the best ever in this field

2126
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,000
absolutely thank you thank you

2127
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,960
it's a fact and we may it's possible

2128
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,360
that lee might be coming up with another

2129
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:29,840
person on my show but i don't know if

2130
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:33,199
lee has that confirmed yet does lee

2131
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,639
well we're we're working on it we're

2132
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,320
working on it okay

2133
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,159
we're working and i don't mind saying

2134
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:40,719
you know we're talking about um my good

2135
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:44,080
friend james fox right whom i am

2136
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:45,520
co-producing

2137
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:46,480
um

2138
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:52,719
coming wonderful i'm jealous

2139
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,159
oh well well don't be just just be

2140
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,800
as as hopeful as i am

2141
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,719
that this thing is going to be what we

2142
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,800
hope it will that will open people's

2143
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,320
minds

2144
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:06,639
or change people's attitudes

2145
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,679
just a little bit about ufos we're not

2146
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,440
going to be we're not attacking the

2147
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,199
government or the governments of the

2148
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,239
world about why why there's been so much

2149
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,960
secrecy and conspiracies and lying

2150
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,880
against the public that's not where

2151
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,000
we're headed

2152
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:23,760
in this particular documentary and we've

2153
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,639
got

2154
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,639
some interviews that will blow everybody

2155
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,040
away i will tell you that

2156
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,960
uh that are already in the can and we

2157
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,480
have more to get

2158
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,360
and we're working very diligently i'm

2159
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,600
going out to california in about a week

2160
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,600
and i'm going to be there with james uh

2161
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:41,440
for the whole month of june working on

2162
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,239
the script of of this documentary please

2163
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,120
send him my best wishes and uh i will

2164
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,600
not now say let's get together when i'm

2165
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,080
back in town next month uh i would

2166
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,400
rather be in california i think but um

2167
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,639
james fox is

2168
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,960
among the finest documentary filmmakers

2169
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:00,719
ever to tackle this subject i'm working

2170
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,920
with you i am already very excited do

2171
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,600
you guys have a working title that you

2172
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,679
can share

2173
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:10,000
i can i can give you that much tonight

2174
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:13,600
sure um it's called ufos what we now

2175
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:14,840
know

2176
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,080
excellent it was uh 701 or that was the

2177
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,400
title at first but things have changed a

2178
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,480
lot of people still contact me wondering

2179
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,639
what's going on with that but so that's

2180
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:25,760
the yeah

2181
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:26,560
yeah

2182
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:30,800
audience who don't know even the

2183
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,560
reference of 701 um when when project

2184
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:36,320
blue book the air force's

2185
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:40,639
22 23-year study of ufos when it ended

2186
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:44,800
after after looking at 12 000 plus um

2187
01:24:48,430 --> 01:24:47,440
cases and reports about ufos they ended

2188
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,440
up with

2189
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:51,280
701 cases that were completely

2190
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:55,440
unexplained and unknown and and and so

2191
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:56,239
those

2192
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,760
dealing with because frankly i don't

2193
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,159
care about the other 12 000

2194
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:04,080
because i you know it's like you know

2195
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:05,920
you've got to take a stance you've got

2196
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:08,480
to put your focus on what's really worth

2197
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,000
looking into and i personally don't want

2198
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,880
to spend any time looking at objects

2199
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,880
that were obviously the planet venus

2200
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:18,880
that was moving around in the sky

2201
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,760
it just just doesn't make sense to me

2202
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:22,880
um

2203
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:25,440
and and i i also want to say that i i'm

2204
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,320
a big admirer of peter robbins peter is

2205
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,800
one of the more dogged and i use that

2206
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:32,800
word likely

2207
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,120
dogged investigators

2208
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,440
of of a variety of subjects and i know

2209
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,040
he's been all over

2210
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:41,840
the the rendelstrom case uh in in

2211
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,800
england

2212
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:44,239
and uh

2213
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,000
well you you your audience probably

2214
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,000
knows who peter is he's out there he's

2215
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:49,920
doing great work and and i appreciate

2216
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,639
him always have yeah haley thanks so

2217
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:54,800
much for the call and i hope to

2218
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,239
be talking to you just in a couple of

2219
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:58,320
weeks

2220
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,679
yes sir me too we will and good night

2221
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,080
wonderful hearing your voice lee

2222
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:06,400
you too peter take it easy all right

2223
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,239
good night later this year

2224
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,159
okay bye-bye all right we have another

2225
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,840
caller on the line your first name and

2226
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,320
where are you calling from

2227
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,040
uh this is abner calling florida hi

2228
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,040
abner welcome to the show you you have a

2229
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,120
question for peter

2230
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,000
well um those two things i remember i

2231
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,560
spoke to me about the whole disclosure

2232
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,480
thing and i do also believe this

2233
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,480
closure's already happened everybody

2234
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:32,080
just needs to open your eyes a little

2235
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,120
bit

2236
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,679
the question i have for peter is um he

2237
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,679
mentioned about his sister and i'm very

2238
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:39,600
curious as to what brought him to the

2239
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:42,320
conclusion that he feels her sister was

2240
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,520
abducted or may have been abducted

2241
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,040
well um

2242
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:50,000
my sister and i um she passed away in

2243
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:53,840
2000 were always very close in age in

2244
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,159
interests uh as adults we were roommates

2245
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:59,840
she was a brilliant artist a

2246
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:01,600
singer-songwriter

2247
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:03,760
a writer

2248
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:05,120
she's one of the most honest and

2249
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,040
straightforward people i ever knew she

2250
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:11,360
told me this at a time more than 40

2251
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:12,480
years ago

2252
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,550
thought about this is a possibility uh

2253
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:21,360
over time the things that she told me

2254
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:23,360
sometimes word for word

2255
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,560
came up in dozens and dozens and dozens

2256
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:28,719
of cases that i worked with bud hopkins

2257
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:29,520
on

2258
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:32,480
she never unlike me never forgot that

2259
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,280
day and never forgot the memories

2260
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,280
but as she said to me fourteen and a

2261
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,520
half years later when i asked her why we

2262
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,679
had never talked about this she said do

2263
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,520
you remember that afternoon when i asked

2264
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:45,040
you if you wanted to talk about it and

2265
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,400
you said no

2266
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,159
and i said of course and she said you

2267
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:49,679
know you're my brother i love you and i

2268
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,920
respect you and one day led to the next

2269
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:53,679
week led to the next month led to the

2270
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,960
next year as time passed she worked

2271
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:58,159
closely

2272
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:01,120
with that extraordinary uh

2273
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,560
police detective who was a pioneer in uh

2274
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:06,639
using regressive hypnosis and criminal

2275
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:09,920
investigation and with bud hopkins to

2276
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:13,520
delve into her experiences uh with more

2277
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,400
depth

2278
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:15,679
um

2279
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:18,000
in terms of abductee accounts and

2280
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,360
obviously

2281
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:21,120
you might think i'm lacking certain

2282
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:23,040
objectivity here and that's that's fair

2283
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:24,000
to say

2284
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,960
uh

2285
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,320
but it is

2286
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:29,199
her account is as credible and as well

2287
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,320
backed up

2288
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,159
also included

2289
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:34,719
an implant which we could spend a whole

2290
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:38,159
show on an anomalous object in her case

2291
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,280
way up in her nasal cavity that she

2292
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,600
sneezed out as a

2293
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,280
child

2294
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,120
which became something i remembered

2295
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,360
because it was the only time growing up

2296
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:50,880
that i was awakened in the middle of the

2297
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,400
night uh by my parents moving around and

2298
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,880
helen in her bed with her pillowcase

2299
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,880
quite red with uh

2300
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,639
uh she had sneezed this thing out she

2301
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:02,960
had asthma and was uh

2302
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,159
got all kinds of allergies uh she saw it

2303
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,360
uh had kind of a girl's reaction of ich

2304
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:11,199
and kept it in the kleenex and threw it

2305
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,320
away

2306
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,480
the implant phenomena though is as real

2307
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:16,320
as the chair that i'm sitting on and

2308
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:17,760
there are quite a number of specialty

2309
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,400
researchers in that part of the field

2310
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,400
more i i don't think i can give you

2311
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,360
abner but um

2312
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:28,320
i did and do take her case as seriously

2313
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:29,440
as

2314
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,040
earlier in the show

2315
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:35,520
about linda and the brooklyn bridge ufo

2316
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:39,520
abductions and so many other people

2317
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,840
thank you for that peter um abner thank

2318
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,679
you very much for your call

2319
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:45,280
yes thank you

2320
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,400
all right

2321
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,840
um so

2322
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:49,679
um peter did you

2323
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:50,880
um

2324
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:56,080
away i remember we've talked about that

2325
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:57,360
um

2326
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,840
did you have uh

2327
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,639
her go through any of the work

2328
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:04,960
with bud actually

2329
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:06,639
oh my god i didn't have her do it she

2330
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:09,760
did it uh they became very dear friends

2331
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:10,880
um

2332
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:13,679
but she was one of more than 800 people

2333
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:17,360
that he worked with in regression 800

2334
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:20,320
oh yeah i'm i know because i logged in

2335
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,600
all those audio cassettes and kept um is

2336
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:26,159
all back in the day done in analog

2337
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,320
format uh i i witnessed uh more hypnotic

2338
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,800
regressions than i can even recall now

2339
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:35,040
at the request of the individual

2340
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:39,040
and bud um obviously

2341
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:40,719
oh speaking of that we haven't we have a

2342
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:43,360
call coming in at the same time

2343
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,800
so that was perfect timing for that

2344
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:46,560
person to call you

2345
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:47,840
caller your first name where are you

2346
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:50,000
calling from

2347
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:56,080
tennessee hi there welcome to the show

2348
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:57,520
hello

2349
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:59,040
i can't believe i got through that's

2350
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:00,560
cool that's the first time i've even

2351
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,199
turned in i'm loving your show thank you

2352
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,600
i wanted to point out something here i

2353
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,440
am 59 so

2354
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,440
i'm the one of the last of the baby

2355
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,760
boomer bunch and we grew up

2356
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:14,400
watching our people getting assassinated

2357
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,440
and civil rights you know fight and uh

2358
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:19,520
watergate and one bit of corruption

2359
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:21,280
after the other and it just seems like

2360
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:22,880
it's just gone from bad to worse over

2361
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:25,920
the past 50 70 years

2362
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:28,159
my concern i hear people saying yeah

2363
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,040
there's been disclosure but i think

2364
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:33,040
what people like me after seeing all

2365
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:35,760
this crap that's taken place

2366
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:39,440
i see that there has been a grave abuse

2367
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,719
of americans and humanity in general

2368
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,719
by this cover-up

2369
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,719
and some shadow government and i'm not

2370
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:48,000
into all the

2371
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,320
deep dark conspiracies as far as that

2372
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,480
goes political wise just the fact that

2373
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:54,639
it looks to me from the outside looking

2374
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:56,080
in

2375
01:32:03,189 --> 01:31:59,920
to

2376
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,199
subvert our very system of laws that are

2377
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,600
meant to protect me the people

2378
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:07,280
if you if i understand where i'm going

2379
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,400
with this

2380
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:10,719
this is the full disclosure i'm looking

2381
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,840
for because if we don't you know get the

2382
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,679
cancer out of the system it's going to

2383
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:17,040
kill

2384
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:18,880
all of us it can be used to do anything

2385
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:20,960
to justify this that or the other for

2386
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,520
national security or whatever yeah and

2387
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:24,960
i'm tired of being lied to it i feel

2388
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:27,440
like we've been live too for decades and

2389
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:29,199
i'm tired of it i'm really fed up i'm a

2390
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,560
grown woman

2391
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,960
i'm not a five-year-old child you tell

2392
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:35,040
me that there's aliens visiting here

2393
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:37,120
i'll say hey buddy my name's wendy let's

2394
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:38,320
let's talk

2395
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:40,320
i'm not gonna run and hide under my bed

2396
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:41,679
and freak out

2397
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,080
i'm a grown woman i can deal with it

2398
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:46,080
yeah and i don't like being treated like

2399
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:47,199
a child

2400
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:48,400
thank you and i'm tired of the

2401
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:50,159
government hiding it

2402
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:53,440
i couldn't agree with you more and um

2403
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,600
for me your view

2404
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,199
goes to the core

2405
01:33:02,870 --> 01:32:59,760
of the real problem here on earth

2406
01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:02,880
regarding this subject uh in the summer

2407
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:04,960
of 1947

2408
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,480
through an extraordinary pounding away

2409
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:11,120
by our media quietly uh

2410
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,480
tacitly

2411
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,560
not interfered with it to put it mildly

2412
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:16,159
by our government

2413
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:18,080
the american people and by extension the

2414
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:19,520
western world

2415
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:22,320
were simply made to understand and

2416
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:25,679
accept really without much question that

2417
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:28,159
all of this nonsense about visitations

2418
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:30,400
from space were all explainable in

2419
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:33,440
conventional ways for those of us who

2420
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:36,159
are serious students of the subject the

2421
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,199
thousands of pages of fully authentic

2422
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:40,960
guilt-edged

2423
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:43,840
formally classified documentation from

2424
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,320
every imaginable agency military

2425
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,000
intelligence

2426
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:50,800
governmental offices that counter that

2427
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:53,760
and show how concerned we were about

2428
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:56,639
the potential for panic uh

2429
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,000
i think what they're really talking

2430
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:00,159
about talk about national security

2431
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,080
national insecurity

2432
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:04,320
starting at the get-go that summer in

2433
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:06,239
the post-war years

2434
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:08,560
america was such a different place we

2435
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:10,639
had really we were the good guys we

2436
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:12,639
really were the good guys we had helped

2437
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:16,960
make this world free from fascism and uh

2438
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:18,800
the marshall plan was doing something

2439
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:22,080
extraordinary helping our former um

2440
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:24,800
enemies rebuild their societies and

2441
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,280
ideally go on to a better world together

2442
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:29,679
well that hasn't worked out so well in

2443
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:33,440
many respects but i think those people

2444
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:35,360
that were involved in the initial wave

2445
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:38,320
of secret keeping they were all

2446
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:39,360
powerful

2447
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:40,880
white guys

2448
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:44,960
uh who had a vested interest in

2449
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,760
being perceived as powerful this was at

2450
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:49,840
a moment when the power balance in the

2451
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:52,239
world was shifting the soviet union was

2452
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,280
our next big enemy um the next war could

2453
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:58,320
be nuclear paranoia of a different sort

2454
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:01,520
was engendering itself and it was seen

2455
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:03,679
as the right thing to do

2456
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,040
to lie through your teeth to the

2457
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:08,000
american people for me the birth of our

2458
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,159
national security state

2459
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,159
which ufologically i think is

2460
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,239
brilliantly laid out in the first two of

2461
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,280
three volumes by our uh

2462
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:19,520
i think most respected ufo related

2463
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:20,800
historian

2464
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:23,760
richard m dolan in his books ufos in the

2465
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:26,400
national security state one and two

2466
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:27,360
is

2467
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:31,199
that first irritant that first

2468
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,280
irritant that had to be covered up did

2469
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,440
not have to do with nuclear secrets it

2470
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:38,000
had to do with keeping this secret and

2471
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:38,719
like

2472
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,760
a pearl

2473
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,760
building layers and layers and layers

2474
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:42,800
until

2475
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:45,440
it was this huge thing

2476
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:48,159
at the beginning in the middle of all of

2477
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:49,440
it

2478
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:51,040
i think your view

2479
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,239
is absolutely right i admire your

2480
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:56,400
attitude about it i think there are a

2481
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,199
lot of people who will be able despite

2482
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:01,280
what i said earlier about you know fear

2483
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,440
of the unknown and possibility of panic

2484
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:06,080
among some people who will be able to

2485
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,960
stand up and say okay i always suspected

2486
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,400
this or

2487
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:12,880
if the worst was possible

2488
01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:14,800
you know we'd all be taken over or

2489
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:17,120
melted down now like an adventure

2490
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,159
already yeah i think we're a generation

2491
01:36:23,110 --> 01:36:22,320
that grew up with star trek

2492
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:23,120
okay

2493
01:36:28,229 --> 01:36:25,840
that blasted my brain open wow what a

2494
01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:28,239
cool concept i want to get out there and

2495
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,159
meet these other beings because for me

2496
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:32,159
it made so much more sense than we're

2497
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:33,600
the only one

2498
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,239
and i think that people all around our

2499
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,719
enemy feel the same way and what it

2500
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:40,719
looks like to me this control this

2501
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:43,840
cover-up is a bit more to maintain that

2502
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:49,910
here's two reasons why they're doing it

2503
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:51,920
number one because one of the central

2504
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,119
secrets

2505
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,600
after 70 plus years

2506
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:58,000
is how little we really know and

2507
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,000
understand about that and that is

2508
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:02,320
something that fragile egos that want to

2509
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,719
be seen as powerful cannot deal with the

2510
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:06,400
other thing brilliantly pointed out

2511
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,199
decades ago by our

2512
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:12,000
senior uh most respected ufologist

2513
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,560
stanton t friedman now retired uh

2514
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,719
retiring from the field after more than

2515
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:18,560
50 years of slugging away one of the

2516
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:22,560
greatest people ever in the field is

2517
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,840
if indeed

2518
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,679
it was announced that we are not alone

2519
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,360
in the universe we're being visited by

2520
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:29,760
other beings that they some of them

2521
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:32,719
maybe are you know want to work with us

2522
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,440
and uh have been watching over us or

2523
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,119
concerned about us other ones that may

2524
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,199
be malevolent i think they have the

2525
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:41,520
potential of being anything that we are

2526
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,080
that we for the first time as human

2527
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,560
beings on earth god forbid for people

2528
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:49,520
who live by a code of nationalism and

2529
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,679
controlling the rest of us by where the

2530
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,840
line is drawn in the dirt and you're on

2531
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,360
this side i'm on this side you're the

2532
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:57,040
other you're evil i don't understand you

2533
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,239
speak a different language you have a

2534
01:38:01,590 --> 01:38:00,320
different colored skin we might the

2535
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,600
power of

2536
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,040
start to think of ourselves from the

2537
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:06,480
very first time together as human beings

2538
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:07,679
rather than

2539
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:09,679
americans russians indians canadians

2540
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:12,880
venezuelans uh catholics muslims

2541
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:15,920
buddhist jews men women and that would

2542
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:18,320
be devastating to the forces that like

2543
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:20,239
to move the chess pieces

2544
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,840
that's right i agree that is very well

2545
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:23,760
said very well said lyndon i have

2546
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,600
enjoyed talking with you i'm glad to

2547
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:27,600
meet you i think you and i can sit and

2548
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:33,750
and thank you for your clear thinking

2549
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:35,520
yeah thank you linda

2550
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:36,960
bye-bye bye

2551
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,920
um so yes um so the lines are open if

2552
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:41,840
someone else would like to call in

2553
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:42,800
um

2554
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:45,280
and speaking of uh stanton friedman i

2555
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,239
had

2556
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:48,639
him and um

2557
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:50,800
kathy martin on my show

2558
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:53,600
back uh in december and it's the first

2559
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,000
time yes yeah and it's the first youtube

2560
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:58,560
video that i did a podcast on that

2561
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,600
actually hit

2562
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,520
a hundred thousand views it just hit it

2563
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:04,000
um wow yesterday i think

2564
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:07,760
so yeah um and i want i'm gonna get stan

2565
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:09,760
on uh i've been communicating gonna get

2566
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:11,920
stand on for just one more time before

2567
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:15,280
he retires for a retirement show so

2568
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:18,400
listener keep your uh eyes open for that

2569
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:19,679
um it's going to be some time this

2570
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,639
summer

2571
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,950
we'll have some time to do that so we're

2572
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,280
going to go about um to make up for

2573
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:29,679
those the start time we're going to go

2574
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,400
about another 15 minutes or so peter are

2575
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:34,320
you all right with that

2576
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:35,520
yeah okay

2577
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:39,280
because our start time was delayed so um

2578
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:41,840
so you mentioned the

2579
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,760
the issues with the ufo field what do

2580
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:44,960
you think is

2581
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:48,560
good about the ufo field today

2582
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:49,760
that

2583
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:51,440
we have people

2584
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,960
with the courage uh with the curiosity

2585
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:56,400
to

2586
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:58,400
say the hell with ridicule

2587
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,280
i'm putting myself on the line here i'm

2588
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:02,880
interested in it i'm not going to not

2589
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:05,600
talk about it i'm reading about it i'm

2590
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:07,440
networking with people

2591
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,159
i'm trying to understand for myself

2592
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,000
with the goal of wanting to make a

2593
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,000
contribution in what i consider

2594
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:16,560
extremely important work

2595
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:18,639
i support anybody who is trying to

2596
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,199
follow that path i would suggest that

2597
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,520
you keep your day jobs and don't do what

2598
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:26,719
i do and try to do it full-time and

2599
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:29,760
pay your bills by doing it um it's it's

2600
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:32,480
very rough going um

2601
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:33,360
but

2602
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,840
there's room

2603
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,600
as many people

2604
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,600
who are willing to put themselves on the

2605
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,639
line

2606
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:42,480
and do the work

2607
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:45,600
uh for me that's inspiring especially

2608
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:49,040
when it's younger generation yes

2609
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,199
yeah we need uh it would be nice you

2610
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:53,440
know going to conferences you don't see

2611
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:55,199
well you're starting to see some but

2612
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:56,480
it's

2613
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,159
there's kind of an aging you know

2614
01:41:02,390 --> 01:40:59,760
conference going

2615
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:02,400
yes crowd you know at this point

2616
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:05,119
so it would be nice to see it um you

2617
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,199
know get a little younger

2618
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:09,840
and more people um i understand you know

2619
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,920
there's so much information being thrown

2620
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,719
at

2621
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,400
young people today from all different

2622
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,400
directions and everything

2623
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,639
um you know everything is built for a

2624
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:20,560
very short attention span you need a

2625
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,679
long attention span for this field

2626
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:24,800
um

2627
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,199
you know about the ridicule part of it

2628
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,040
you know it's

2629
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:31,199
it's pretty amazing you know i i've

2630
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,000
spoken to a number of people that

2631
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:36,400
have no ridicule and some people have a

2632
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,239
lot of ridicule and i'm talking about

2633
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,639
like in the workplace for instance uh

2634
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:42,800
preston dennett was on a couple weeks

2635
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:43,920
ago

2636
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,360
and he was saying you know everyone at

2637
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,280
work knows him as a ufo guy and it's

2638
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:48,480
great and

2639
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,920
and i i worked with a a few years ago at

2640
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:53,440
a startup company

2641
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:56,560
and um it was uh for collectibles but

2642
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:58,000
it's still going today it's an internet

2643
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,360
startup company

2644
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:00,800
and i uh

2645
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:03,280
i had a position there was advising them

2646
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:04,560
and stuff and

2647
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,119
um it came out that i had the ufo show

2648
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,119
and everyone it was like 30 some odd

2649
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,719
people they all loved it and you know

2650
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,400
we're talking about it all the time so

2651
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:14,960
it really depends on what profession

2652
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:16,159
someone's in

2653
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,920
and what they're doing and if they get

2654
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:20,159
ridiculed or not as you as an artist i

2655
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,440
don't think you ever had to worry about

2656
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:23,040
that part of it did you

2657
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:24,880
not as much um

2658
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:26,800
i give you an example though

2659
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:29,520
about 30 years ago

2660
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:31,920
i had a series of summer jobs teaching

2661
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,480
in a wonderful program sponsored by the

2662
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,400
oklahoma

2663
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:38,239
council on the arts

2664
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:39,600
working in

2665
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:43,760
an area in northeastern oklahoma

2666
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:46,800
where i work with kids

2667
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:48,000
most of them

2668
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,440
split between

2669
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:51,440
the children or the grandchildren of

2670
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:53,520
phillips petroleum executives and

2671
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,000
engineers which had its headquarters in

2672
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:58,080
bartlesville oklahoma at the time

2673
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:01,040
and osage and cherokee kids

2674
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,440
i was an artist and i was teaching art

2675
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,199
and

2676
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,080
one saturday afternoon i had

2677
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,760
afternoon to myself

2678
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:11,760
i had my loaner pickup truck i was

2679
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,159
having a burger someplace in town

2680
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,480
and the father of one of the kids that i

2681
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,199
worked with that year in the year before

2682
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:21,360
saw me through the window came in

2683
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:23,119
you know very happy to see me and

2684
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:24,320
immediately said pete you're not going

2685
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,239
to believe this i got a call from such

2686
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:28,239
and such last night he said you gotta

2687
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:29,760
you're not gonna believe this but i was

2688
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,000
tuning through the television channels

2689
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,000
and i saw that art teacher pete robbins

2690
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,400
on television and guess what the show

2691
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:38,480
was about ufos

2692
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:40,560
and he started to laugh as he said it

2693
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:41,920
and he said that couldn't have been you

2694
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,639
right

2695
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:43,920
well

2696
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:46,800
it actually could have been me because

2697
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,199
it is a subject i

2698
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,440
do besides being an artist

2699
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,679
and he his face fell

2700
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:55,600
right and he got very quiet and serious

2701
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,800
and said

2702
01:44:02,149 --> 01:43:59,679
i can't believe it um and this guy was

2703
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:02,159
an engineer an oil engineer well

2704
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:04,840
educated well traveled um not

2705
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,119
unsophisticated uh

2706
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:09,600
his basic response was you work with our

2707
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:10,560
kids

2708
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,119
we trust you oh my god we think of you

2709
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,880
as as smart

2710
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:17,280
and i said um you know well let's talk

2711
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:20,719
about this more it the upshot was he

2712
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,679
invited me to speak for a club out of

2713
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:26,400
uh um i think it was uh their local elks

2714
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,920
club that he called the sobs um i said

2715
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,760
get look on my face he said the skeptics

2716
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,920
of bartlesville and about a week or so

2717
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,960
later i

2718
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:37,119
was their guest at a a lovely dinner

2719
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,400
where we drank a lot and had a lot of

2720
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,480
fun and then they put my feet to the

2721
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:42,400
fire and started hitting me with

2722
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:43,520
questions

2723
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:46,880
and uh dismissing my answers and by the

2724
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,760
time the thing that got around um to

2725
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,679
absolutely

2726
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:53,600
splitting the room wide open

2727
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:55,199
was without giving the name of the

2728
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,679
signer i read two letters copies of

2729
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,000
letters that i had in my files on a

2730
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,400
stationary of the united states senate

2731
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,639
uh letters to a constituent to two

2732
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:06,800
different constituents from the then

2733
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:08,880
senior senator uh when the letters were

2734
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,480
written not when i i did the talk uh

2735
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:15,199
from uh the great state of arizona named

2736
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:18,000
barry m goldwater who as many people in

2737
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:20,159
the field know was a reserve general in

2738
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:22,159
the united states air force and an

2739
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:23,199
activist

2740
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:24,719
ufo person

2741
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:25,679
and

2742
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,040
they didn't care about reagan they

2743
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,639
didn't care about other people who i

2744
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,239
brought up who took it seriously but

2745
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,320
when i mentioned goldwater's name

2746
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,239
and they got that these were authentic

2747
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:36,000
documents they started arguing with each

2748
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,080
other and after a while it wasn't so

2749
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,159
much fun um

2750
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,560
but yeah i i think again also we have to

2751
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:44,480
remember that the climate is getting

2752
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:47,440
better it's certainly not you know

2753
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:50,480
cleared air space yet but it is as i

2754
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,000
said more and more people care less and

2755
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,080
less about what other people think about

2756
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:55,840
what they think about this important

2757
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:58,239
subject right right um you know there's

2758
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,080
an interesting question that came on

2759
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,719
came up that kind of uh skims around the

2760
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:04,800
topic that we've talked about tonight

2761
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:07,280
and this comes from kerry as well in the

2762
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,119
ufo field we tend to think about

2763
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:11,119
government agencies keeping secrets from

2764
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,080
the public have you ever thought about

2765
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,639
how much of a burden it would be

2766
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:18,719
for the individuals involved in knowing

2767
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,000
the truth

2768
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,560
about alien interaction with our planet

2769
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,719
and keeping the secret from the public

2770
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,400
do you have an opinion on that

2771
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:28,880
carrie i have thought about it regularly

2772
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:31,840
for decades um i am one of those people

2773
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:32,560
who

2774
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,159
and it's not always a good thing i tend

2775
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:36,000
to see both sides of an argument fairly

2776
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,239
clearly even when i come down very

2777
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:41,840
solidly on one side i can still have uh

2778
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:44,400
some understanding and compassion

2779
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:45,520
um

2780
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:47,840
for people on the other side my best

2781
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:50,880
sense and it's it's more intuitive than

2782
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,400
documented is that people in a number of

2783
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:56,480
uh

2784
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,960
secret levels who are cleared to know

2785
01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:00,719
certain amounts of information about

2786
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:01,600
this

2787
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:03,760
but of course are not able to talk about

2788
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:05,119
it publicly

2789
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,600
struggle with it uh a good number of

2790
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,840
them probably want to keep up the status

2791
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:11,280
quo because it will be that so

2792
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:13,040
embarrassing

2793
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:15,760
if we have to go forward and admit that

2794
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,480
we've been lying to the american public

2795
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,400
and the world for so long

2796
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:22,960
and other ones who really

2797
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:25,280
want to see this come out and there may

2798
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,360
be more infighting going on behind the

2799
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:29,360
scenes than we imagined one thing to

2800
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:31,600
remember if we still lived in a world

2801
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:33,199
where say a president of the united

2802
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:34,800
states could do this on their own and

2803
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:36,719
that time has been gone for decades

2804
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:39,119
harry truman could have done it probably

2805
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:41,199
uh president eisenhower could have done

2806
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:43,199
it by kennedy i don't think so there's

2807
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:49,669
you'd have to network you'd have to

2808
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:52,639
coordinate you'd have to counsel

2809
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,960
but let's just say we lived in a world

2810
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:56,000
where

2811
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,600
whoever is president right now it's

2812
01:48:01,830 --> 01:48:00,000
donald trump i i think

2813
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:01,840
who knows what if anything he's been

2814
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,480
cleared to know about this subject

2815
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:06,480
i think each president is

2816
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,080
informed or

2817
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:10,880
lacks information depending on

2818
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:14,000
how the secret keepers and members key

2819
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:15,600
members of the intelligence community

2820
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:17,679
feel about them as individuals and as

2821
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,030
no american president

2822
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,520
would do it because the secret started

2823
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,840
here in the moment they said my fellow

2824
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:29,840
americans it's my solemn duty to inform

2825
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,400
you that since 1947 at least

2826
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:34,639
we have been aware blah blah blah

2827
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:37,199
they would be admitting that they had

2828
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,080
been

2829
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,560
a co-conspirator along with their

2830
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,719
democratic and republican liberal and

2831
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:45,119
conservative counterparts going back to

2832
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:46,400
harry truman

2833
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:48,000
in the greatest cover-up in human

2834
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,040
history

2835
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,080
and i don't think any world leader wants

2836
01:48:56,550 --> 01:48:54,400
to take that on themselves

2837
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:56,560
certainly not an american president

2838
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,109
don't you think probably it'd be a tweet

2839
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:04,960
one of those tweets yeah yeah we're not

2840
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:06,000
alone

2841
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:07,840
and it's huge yeah

2842
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,400
um all right hey peter someone asked

2843
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:12,239
earlier um if you're going to be

2844
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:14,880
speaking like any tour around the

2845
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:17,119
different uh areas this year do you have

2846
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,800
any engagement speaking engagements

2847
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:20,000
lined up

2848
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:21,280
um

2849
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:25,440
now

2850
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,920
most of my time is spent with my dad who

2851
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,840
is a very advanced age i am his

2852
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:30,960
caregiver

2853
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,080
uh he's a great guy i love him and um

2854
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:36,960
that's what i'm doing most of the time

2855
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,360
but it's not a hardship it's just

2856
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,040
the way it should be

2857
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,199
i have a talk coming up in new york

2858
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,080
state on june 9th

2859
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:48,080
which is a saturday in the beautiful

2860
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,639
little town of orlean new york that

2861
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:52,480
maybe three of your listeners might be

2862
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:55,119
able to get to uh i'm right now

2863
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:57,600
networking with friends and colleagues

2864
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:00,560
in the midwest in california to bring me

2865
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:03,280
to both locations for an extensive

2866
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:05,920
series of talks in both places i've got

2867
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:12,470
new england uh the end of this summer uh

2868
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,040
starting with the exeter new hampshire

2869
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,920
oh yeah uh ufo festival and conference

2870
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:19,520
one of my favorites yeah i'll see you

2871
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,320
there

2872
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:21,920
yeah yeah

2873
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:23,600
actually i'm gonna be doing i'm trying

2874
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,360
to work it out to do a show there on

2875
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:27,520
saturday a live show oh wonderful

2876
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:29,440
yeah peter we have another caller uh

2877
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:31,280
caller your first name and where are you

2878
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,440
calling from

2879
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,199
uh hi my name is adam and i'm calling

2880
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:37,360
from new york hi adam welcome to the

2881
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,400
show

2882
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,480
my hometown

2883
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,719
oh yeah i was uh i'm happy to a fellow

2884
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,800
new yorker calling you here

2885
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,440
right you have a question for peter

2886
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,480
uh yes i do um actually uh first uh

2887
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,400
quick thought um

2888
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,159
i've i've heard that

2889
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,400
uh if only one particle if we had one

2890
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:58,320
more particle or one less particle

2891
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,920
during the big bang

2892
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:01,040
um that

2893
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,440
life as we know it would not exist

2894
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,119
wouldn't be able to exist you know

2895
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,960
everything would be completely different

2896
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:09,119
and with that in mind i was wondering uh

2897
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,960
if you have heard of the simulation

2898
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:12,719
theory and what are your thoughts on

2899
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:13,840
that

2900
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,600
i haven't heard of it so i have no

2901
01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:17,679
thoughts on it

2902
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:18,840
okay

2903
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,520
um oh well it's just a theory that

2904
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:24,080
perhaps uh reality is we know it is just

2905
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:25,360
a simulation

2906
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:27,760
oh um that we are having a computer

2907
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:30,880
program yeah well sort of yeah

2908
01:51:35,590 --> 01:51:31,760
um

2909
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:35,600
yeah uh i guess uh for me we

2910
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:38,080
when we begin to debate or uh

2911
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:41,040
philosophize or look into such matters

2912
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:42,880
we're really kind of stringing things

2913
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:45,679
together by spider webs we're working on

2914
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:46,800
intuition

2915
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:49,280
uh myth belief longing

2916
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:50,320
um

2917
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:51,679
hypotheses

2918
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:54,560
uh very interesting but

2919
01:52:05,669 --> 01:51:56,320
i

2920
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:05,679
um

2921
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,800
and i'm not a scientific person i've

2922
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,239
trained myself and i've studied in

2923
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:12,239
certain areas to understand basic

2924
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,239
concepts or gone off on tangents and

2925
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:16,560
read papers relative to research that

2926
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,360
i'm doing but um i don't think i'm very

2927
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:21,679
well qualified to answer that question

2928
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,880
because i

2929
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:24,719
i don't have enough information to have

2930
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:27,679
enough an informed opinion about it and

2931
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:30,400
a lot of times in life especially

2932
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:33,119
in in this area where after 40 years i

2933
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,360
know how little i know

2934
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,599
i choose not to have an opinion if i

2935
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,760
don't have enough information to have an

2936
01:52:43,589 --> 01:52:41,920
intelligent or basically informed

2937
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,599
opinion with respect

2938
01:52:47,669 --> 01:52:45,440
well i thought

2939
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:47,679
yeah just a little uh thought on that

2940
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:50,880
myself is i just think there's so many

2941
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:51,840
things

2942
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:53,760
that needed to happen for there to be

2943
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,560
life i mean just for life to happen uh

2944
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,040
on earth for instance like just the fact

2945
01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:01,679
if ice didn't float there would be no

2946
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:02,480
life

2947
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:04,000
you know i mean it's one little tiny

2948
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,679
little simple thing and there are so

2949
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,440
many simple things

2950
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:09,920
that made life possible so

2951
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,679
um yeah it's all it's an interesting

2952
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:13,520
subject i appreciate the call we're near

2953
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:14,800
the end of the show

2954
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:16,719
thank you adam give my regard for

2955
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:19,199
broadway yeah

2956
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:20,400
all right have a good night guys all

2957
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,159
right you too

2958
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:25,599
all right so peter um so um can you give

2959
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:27,679
out your website one more time

2960
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:31,199
yeah it's my name and the initials of my

2961
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:36,239
home state peter robbins r o b b i n s n

2962
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:36,960
y

2963
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:42,239
updating but again relative to uh the

2964
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:45,280
situation we discussed earlier uh front

2965
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:48,320
and center is a long paper uh on my

2966
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:49,840
feelings about that

2967
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:52,080
yes all right peter thanks so much as

2968
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:53,760
always it's a pleasure to talk to you

2969
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:56,239
and uh we'll i'll be seeing you oh one

2970
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,520
question came in in the chat room

2971
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:59,040
somebody wanted to know if you were

2972
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:01,840
going to go to the philadelphia mufon

2973
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:04,400
um convention this year as things stand

2974
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,239
right now um i i am scheduled to emcee

2975
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:10,239
that conference oh excellent

2976
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,920
all right peter thanks so much and we'll

2977
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,000
be seeing you in exeter

2978
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,159
i'll look forward to it martin always a

2979
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,840
pleasure working with you

2980
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,159
thank you yes and thank you

2981
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,440
thank you for um the situation that you

2982
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:26,000
handled so well with uh larry warren i

2983
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:27,840
i appreciate that as a

2984
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:30,320
you're a fine person thank you

2985
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:32,560
back at you brother all right

2986
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:35,360
okay everyone so that's it for our show

2987
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:37,679
and uh we'll be back next week and we

2988
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,880
have uh grant cameron on next week

2989
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:41,920
and right

2990
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,719
yeah

2991
01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:44,560
um so uh

2992
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:46,159
i want to thank everyone that supports

2993
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,760
the show and

2994
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:49,520
um i also want to thank the people that

2995
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:51,760
help out alejandro rojas unfortunately

2996
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:53,760
didn't have much of a show today i want

2997
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:55,199
to thank our guest of course peter

2998
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:56,239
robbins

2999
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:58,880
and uh evan behind the scenes peggy for

3000
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:01,520
helping out with the facebook page

3001
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:03,360
remember to like us on facebook for all

3002
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:06,480
the ufo latest news and that's updated

3003
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:09,360
every day alright so we'll be back next

3004
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:11,599
week and don't forget two weeks from

3005
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:13,599
today we're going to be starting on

3006
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:15,040
tuesday nights

3007
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:16,719
and at six to eight and we're going to

3008
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:21,040
be over on kgra radio as well alright

3009
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:22,880
thanks so much remember to keep your

3010
01:55:33,810 --> 01:55:23,679
eyes